My European Itinerary
Replies: 11 - Last Post: Nov 2, 2012 9:25 AM Last Post By: LouisXIV
Oct 31, 2012 8:10 PM
My European ItineraryHi, I'm traveling to Europe for the first time this winter and wondering if I could get thoughts on my itinerary that I've put together, with the only places really being locked in as Cologne, Germany and St. Antons, Austria. Also if you know of any towns or attractions nearby that I could visit. I also have a eurail pass, if anyone has good ideas on what route would be the best, or if I need to fly to make it shorter, that would also be great. If you could help that would be greatly appreciated.
Start - Amsterdam, Netherlands- 2 days
UK- 6 days
Paris, France- 2 days
Cologne, Germany- 3 days
Barcelona, Spain- 4 days
Florence, Italy - 5 days
Zurich, Switzerland- 2 days
St. Antons, Austria- 5 days (3 days Skiing)
Hungary - 1 day
Prague, Czech Republic- 2 days
Finish - Amsterdam, Netherlands- 4 days
Oct 31, 2012 11:29 PM
Oct 31, 2012 11:33 PM
2On the route...there is a lot of jumping about...long distances.....Paris-Cologne,Cologne-Barcelona,Barcelona-Florence.
If you really want to see these places,fine.But make sure you build in enough travel time...there doesn't seem to be any allowance for that on your timetable.
I guess you have chosen all these places for a reason? eg 2 days in Zurich...3 in Cologne(I suppose you have family or friends there?)..would not be my idea of European highlights ;-)
Also...I'd try to avoid 1 day stops (like Hungary. Budapest?).If you include travelling time to get there,finding a hostel/hotel etc. you won't have time to actually see and do anything there.
Nov 1, 2012 1:12 AM
Nov 1, 2012 2:06 AM
445 day European city trip by train (Amsterdam - Lille - London - Lille - Paris - Cologne - Paris - Narbonne - Barcelona - Narbonne - Dijon - Lausanne - Milan - Florence - Milan - Zurich - St. anton am Arlberg - Vienna - Budapest - Bratislava - Prague - Nuremberg - Cologne - Amsterdam):
You certainly know that with this itinerary, you will pass twice through Paris (plus once through Dijon, 1 hr by train from Paris), twice through Cologne, twice through Switzerland, twice through Milan and twice through the Vienna area (Vienna/Bratislava).
2 days are by far not enough for Paris
4 days are too much for Cologne
5 days for Florence are a lot, unless you plan day trips to smaller Tuscan towns
skip Zurich unless you use it as a base for day trips to some famous ski resorts, like
Klosers-Parsenn (1 3/4 hrs by public transport)
Davos (2 1/4 hrs)
Arosa (2 1/2 hrs)
Flims/Laax (2 1/4 hrs)
Hoch Ybrig (1 1/2 hrs)
Pizol (1 1/2 hrs)
Flumserberg (1 3/4 hrs)
Stoos (1 3/4 hrs)
Engelberg (1 3/4 hrs)
Soerenberg (1 3/4 hrs)
Andermatt (2 hrs)
Hasliberg (2 1/4 hrs)
Grindelwald (2 1/2 hrs)
Adelboden (2 1/2 hrs)
Zuers/Lech (2 1/2 hrs)
St. Anton am Arlberg (2 1/4 hrs)
Only 1 day (2 nights) at Budapest is ridiculous
Nov 1, 2012 2:10 AM
5I suggest you read this first: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=2153476.
Much of that thread applies to your itinerary, especially when I see you're planning to spend only 2 days in Paris, 1 day in Hungary (what do you expect to gain by spending 1 day in a country?) and 2 days in a bigger city in a country that's world famous not for its cities but rather for its stunning natural scenery?
And I agree with Lucapal, you're spending a disproportionate amount of time between places rather than in them.
Also if you know of any towns or attractions nearby that I could visit
You haven't allowed enough time to see Paris, Prague and "Hungary", so it would be too ambitious to try and fit in day trips from these places. As for the rest: for the Netherlands alone I can give you at least 20 suggestions that I consider worth looking into, but I think you're better off reading a guidebook yourself first to get a clearer picture of what each country has to offer. If you want suggestions, feel free to ask but please do keep in mind that we don't know you and what you're interested in - it would be extremely helpful if you could share that information with us.
Nov 1, 2012 2:20 AM
6Yes......I missed Paris (actually I read 6 days..my eyesight is going ;-)
6 days for Paris was pretty good....2 days is not!
Nov 1, 2012 2:54 AM
7What I would suggest time wise would be
Start - Amsterdam, Netherlands- 3/4 days (4 if you have jet lag)
UK- 6 days <--- OK, that's enough for London
Paris, France- 5 days
Cologne, Germany- 1 day (trust me, I live 20 miles from it)
Barcelona, Spain- 3 days
Florence, Italy - 3 days
Zurich, Switzerland- 0 days (go to the Bernese Oberland in central Switzerland instead if you're after mountains)
St. Antons, Austria- 5 days (3 days Skiing) - OK, what are you doing for the other 2 days?
Hungary - 1 day <--- Budapest would need 3-4 days on its own
Prague, Czech Republic- 2 days <--- OK, 3 days would be better
Finish - Amsterdam, Netherlands- 4 days <---- 3/4 days total is sufficient and you did that at the beginning.
Unless you have friends or relatives in Amsterdam and Cologne of course.
That said, you're doing some crazy bouncing around. Geographically it's not logical. My order would be
Fly into Barcelona,
Fly to Florence with Vueling.
Head up to Switzerland (which is a longer train trip than you think),
then go skiing in Austria.
Assuming you didn't break a leg, continue to Hungary
then the Czech republic.
Fly outta Prague to Cologne Bonn airport with Condor, TUIFly or Germanwings.
Spend 3 days here in Cologne (seriously, unless you got relatives living here 1 day really is sufficient), then take the ICE to Amsterdam.
From Amsterdam take the Thalys to Paris.
From Paris take the Eurostar to London.
I'd book all of the train/plane ASAP for cheapest price.
Nov 1, 2012 7:53 PM
8Hey guys, thanks for your input. It has helped a lot. An open jaw ticket isn't an option with the airline we booked with, which is a bit annoying. We have now did a bit of fiddling around so there's less travel being done. We just took out Prague and thought more time for Budapest? But as a result of shifting things around we will now have 4 days between Switzerland and Austria to fill, due to cutting down some places as suggested, what would you suggest to fill this time, France? or just leave it and just play that time by ear?
Nov 1, 2012 10:38 PM
9I would play it by ear, there's no need to plan the whole trip in detail in advance.
what would you suggest to fill this time, France?
What would you suggest I eat for dinner tonight, fish? How should we know, given that you still haven't mentioned a word about your interests...
Nov 2, 2012 1:13 AM
Nov 2, 2012 9:25 AM
11As mentioned above Paris needs more time, 4 or 5 days.
Try to start think of how many nights you will be spending in a place. It takes two nights in a place to get a full day. Your days in transit will eat up almost a day each time.
I also agree with lucapal about spending more time in remaining ones.
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