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battybilly

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Oct 28, 2012 11:58 AM
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Windy Topic....

For decades, The BBC (as well as other UK TV networks) has reported on hurricanes.
The word has (until tonight) always been pronounced 'Hurr i cun'.
Now all of a sudden the reporters are calling the latest one 'Hurr i cane' Sandy.
Maybe they've been told to say it that way, maybe they haven't been told anything.
Just wondered.

tonieja

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Oct 29, 2012 6:53 AM
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I always thought it was "cane", like here.

nutraxfornerves

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Oct 29, 2012 9:10 AM
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Oxford Learner's Dictionary gives Hurr i kun for BrE and both kun and kane for NAmE.

MacMillan gives both for BrE; kane only for AmE.

I'm only familiar with kane

battybilly

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Oct 29, 2012 10:56 AM
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I've only ever heard it with 'Kun' spoken in UK English, until now.

chucho_flaco

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Oct 31, 2012 1:04 AM
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I think the last time the BBC told their reporters how to pronounce a word was when Peking became Beijing.

battybilly

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Oct 31, 2012 2:30 AM
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Would that be the same sort of change, as from Bombay to Mumbai?

bjd

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Oct 31, 2012 2:50 AM
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#5 I believe that Peking was changed to Beijing to reflect the Mandarin pronunciation of the name, whereas the name of Bombay was changed to Mumbai by the city's government.

I am open to correction on this.

And back to OP, I have always said hurri-cane. -Kun sounds odd to my ears.

ralphnhatrang

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Oct 31, 2012 10:21 PM
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The Macquarie Dictionary from Australia lists the pronunciation as: hʌrəkən, hʌrɪkən

tonieja

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Nov 2, 2012 7:16 AM
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#6
"Bombay was changed to Mumbai by the city's government."

Was it a name change or only the Latin transliteration was changed?. Was the name officially changed in Hindi too?
It's a different case with Madras and Chennai though.

battybilly

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Nov 2, 2012 7:18 AM
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So many place name changes.

Nicolapicola

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Nov 8, 2012 5:43 AM
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#8 I thought Mumbai was supposed to be the old Hindi name of a part of the city. Most Indians I meet tell me that they still call it Bombay anyway.

iviehoff

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Nov 9, 2012 4:49 AM
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My guess is that the cain pronunciation comes from people reading what they see written, and the USA tends to be more literalist in that direction than GB. No doubt British reporters have recently picked it up from the USA.

The word came into English from Spanish huracán, and that came from Taíno, a pre-Columbian language spoken broadly across much of the Caribbean island region.

battybilly

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Nov 9, 2012 5:02 AM
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I noticed one of The Beeb's most senior presenters last week on location (Jane Hill) said 'Cane'.

VinnyD

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Nov 11, 2012 1:55 AM
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#11--

Doesn't the spelling suggest that the original pronunciation in English was -cane?

nutraxfornerves

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Nov 11, 2012 8:05 AM
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I found an 1806 dictionary: A Critical Prnouncing Dictionary and Expositor of The English Language. The author is adamant that the educated London pronunciation is the only real, true way to say things.

It gives the pronunciation as "can," with a mark over the letter a that indicates it is "The short sound of the Italian a as in fat, mat, marry."

The same mark is used for the first a in "Abate," but the second a is marked as "The long slender English a as in fate paper &c."

So, although I'm not totally sure what the author means, it's rather clear that it is NOT "kane."

The first two syllables, BTW, are "hur-ree" (like hurry). The i in the middle is not the "uh" or "ih" that it is today. So it's something like "HUR-ree-can."
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