Which nosh is better: British or French?
Replies: 49 - Last Post: Oct 29, 2012 12:54 PM Last Post By: battybilly
Oct 24, 2012 2:19 PM
15During the London Olympics, the Detroit NBC station was too cheap to send a reporter over to London to cover it, but during the news every night they tried to do some kind of England related story,
One night they went to a suburban fake English pub, where a Hispanic cook named Juan explained the traditional English dish, chicken tiki masala. He said that British soldiers took it to India, where it also became popular.
Oct 24, 2012 5:19 PM
18Aren't the top restaurants in Britain serving French & international cuisine?
Chicken tikka, or generally curries, have definitely surpassed traditional fish&chips. I guess, they're British then.
Scotch (or Irish) whisk(e)y remain unchallenged.
Stilton and cheddar are ok cheeses. You'd find 50 varieties of French cheese to compete with those.
Angus beef is good. But you need a French chef to know what to do with it, unless it's rosbif.
Kidney pie anyone?
Oct 25, 2012 1:00 AM
19I'm not sure about kidney pie but I can tell you that pork pie, which I tried once again for the first time in over 20 years, when I was in London a couple of weeks ago, is still almost indescribable in its total lack of flavour.
The only accompaniment that could have remedied the taste somewhat would have been a strong vodka or whiskey, neither of which were at hand, regrettably!
Twiglets are one of the few British nibbles which I miss from the UK!
Oct 25, 2012 8:08 AM
20I was being a smart ass when I asked about the chicken tikka masala. I know that Indian has become an English standard. In fact, the first time we tried chicken Vindaloo was after becoming enamoured with Lister (Red Dwarf). I just find it funny that it's considered British. I suppose that means that we should consider Mexican to be be US fare, huh?
Oct 25, 2012 11:46 AM
21It's Tex-Mex in Texas.
When I was working in Santa Fe years ago, friends told me they don't call Mexican food Mexican in Santa Fe, it's "Northern New Mexican Cuisine."
Oct 25, 2012 1:51 PM
22British food is what the British eat, no?
Once upon a time the sun never set on the British empire. If you ignore anything that originated outside of the British Isles, then you don't have much less. There's nothing more British than tea but they certainly didn't invent it.
Also, I too can use wikipedia and it starts with: Vindaloo is an Indian curry dish popular in the region of Goa. (The bit about Portugal comes later.)
I imagine that French food is also heavily influenced from its former colonies or immigrants. The Moors spring to mind.
Oct 25, 2012 2:01 PM
Oct 25, 2012 2:01 PM
24I wouldn't go as far as to say curries have surpassed fish n' chips, takeaways are on practically every street corner and make no mistake, you can cover a multitude of sins with a thick curry sauce. Cheap curries are no match for good quality fish n'chips.
But seriously, like the LU poster for the Indian festival in Alexandra park July 85. It was made of purple flock wall paper and the caption read "you have been looking at the wrong view of India for far too long" and so for those who think British cheese consists of Stilton and cheddar or that pies would be made solely of kidney (it's actually steak and kidney), it would be like saying Swedish food is made up of potatoes meatballs and pickled herrings.
Now to clear the "Vindaloo" up once and for all, vindaloo is a masala paste and was used for preserving pork, by the time it hit Britiain it had been bastardised by North Indians who wrongly assumed alho to be aloo, didn't bother to add toddy vinegar and didn't keep to the basic recipe. Consequently it tasted nothing like it was supposed to and in many cases it still doesn't.
Oct 25, 2012 2:31 PM
25#22 luvvy I live in Goa, Goa was a Portuguese colony for 450 years, it may have been on the Indian subcontinent but in all tense and purposes it was a part of Portugal and the people who lived here were Portuguese, not Indian and besides it wasn't called India when they landed.
Now Indians who settled and took British citizenship, are very much British, but they are more British Indian or British Asian and that's why their food is classed as Indian and not British, they don't do Indian fish chips and mushy peas.
Vindaloo isn't of Goan origin, it's of Portuguese origin, they influenced the Christian style of food
Oct 25, 2012 3:20 PM
Generally, it's understood as spicy hot cuisine from the region of Goa.
Apparently, the original Portugese dish was changed or adapted to local (Indian-Goan) conditions, where wine wasn't available and was substituted with vinegar.
Carne de vinha dos alhos
The name vindaloo is a corruption of Portuguese vinha d'alho (wine garlic). It looks a bit strange though, as vinha means vineyard, while vinho stands for wine. However my Portuguese is very limited, so someone with better skills in Portuguese feel free to correct me.
Aloo and vindaloo - what do they have in common?
Afaik, aloo is potato, as in aloo gobi (potato and cauliflower).
Oct 25, 2012 4:59 PM
27#25 Thanks sweetheart ;-)
So are people in Goa, Portuguese? Or Indian? If the latter, then I'm still sticking ot calling it Indian food - on the same basis that I'm calling bastardised Indian curry British food.
Oct 26, 2012 9:33 AM
28Chicken tikka masala is very much the iconic dish of British Indian restaurants, though the name covers a multitude of sins. There is some claim that it was invented by a Pakistani chef working in Glasgow. My suspicion is that somewhere in Britain is where that name got attached to that dish, but the dish, within its broad specifications, was probably already being made elsewhere. After all, it's a fairly obvious kind of thing to do. Usually to be avoided.
Oct 26, 2012 9:49 AM
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