Europe 2013 - 6 weeks
Replies: 10 - Last Post: Oct 23, 2012 11:01 PM Last Post By: Rowe07
Oct 23, 2012 1:41 AM
Europe 2013 - 6 weeksHi I am planning a trip to Europe at the end of 2013 for 6 weeks. I am travelling with my friend, we are both females. We dont want to stay in hostels, however, we would like cheapish accomodation. We have friends in London so shouldnt need to pay for accomodation here. We are planning to save about $11, 000 exculding flights each, so we have the money to do spontaneous things if we feel the need. Below I will put how long we want to spend in places and some places we want to go. Could we please have some feedback on time spent in places and travelling.... too much not enough ect. If we are taking enough money for the trip. Any places that we have missed that are worth seeing and that are not worth seeing. Lastly, how would be the best way to get around?? plane, train ect. We are want to see all the touristy things as well as historical places. Your feedback would be great! Thanks
Australia – London Travel Days 2 days
London 7 Days
London – Ireland Travel Day – 1 day
Ireland – 2 Days (Christmas)
Ireland – Paris Travel Day 1 Day
Paris – 2 Days
Paris – Amsterdam Travel Day – 1 Day
Amsterdam 5 Days (New Years)
Amsterdam – Berlin Travel Day – 1 Day
Berlin – 5 Days
Berlin – Pisa Travel Day – 1 Day
Pisa - 3 Days
Pisa – Rome Travel Day – 1 Day
Rome – 6 Days
Rome – Australia 2 days
England - Hadrians wall, Big Ben, Tower of London, London Eye, Thames River, Warwick Castle, Stone Henge, Buckingham Palace, Trafalgar Square, Hampton Court Palace , Madame Tussaudes, St Pauls Cathedral, Westminster Abbey,Piccadilly Circus, Leicester Sq & Covent Garden, Jack the Ripper Tour.
France - Gorge Du Verdon, Palace of Versailles, Eiffel Tower, Basilica du Bois-Chenu ( Joan of arc),Notre Dame, The Lourve,The Arc De Triomphe, Montparnasse Tower.
Netherlands - Delta Project, Kinderdijk, Keukenhof Gardens, Ann Frank House, De Wallen – Red Light District, Barneys Coffeeshop, Canal Boat Tour ,Dam Square.
Berlin - Brandenburg Gate, The East Side Gallery, Holocaust Memorial Berlin, Memorial Church in Berlin, The Reichstag – German Parliament , Berlin Wall, The Berlin Zoological Garden, statue of Karl Marx, Dokumentationszentrum Berliner Mauer, Berlin Cathedral.
Italy (Rome, Pompeii and Pisa) - The Colosseum and Arch of Constantine, Pantheon, The Roman Forum, The Trevi Fountain, Spanish Steps, Vittorio Emanuele II Monument's Glass Elevator, Vatican City, Palatine Hill, Sistene Chapel ,Day trip to Pompii and Herculanuem, Leaning tower of Pisa.
Oct 23, 2012 2:29 AM
1I am not familiar with all your destinations,but first observation is that Ireland for 2 days does not makes sense to me and you do not mention where exactly you plan to go and why.
Also, I have spend 2 weeks pleasantly in London and 2+ weeks pleasantly in Paris, and I did not get short of things to do. About London, Stonehenge is possible as a day trip, but I think an overnight stay in the area is more advisable. You might be able to see/do all or most of the sites/activities on your list but note that connecting among places takes time, most spots of interest are spread all over the city. London is a popular destination all year around too, so waiting time to get in a site due to crowds is not uncommon. The same applies for Paris. I do not think you allocate enough days in Paris to see everything you want to see. Time is never enough in Louvre of course, but even sites with less time required such as Arc de Triumph, might take some time to get to, get tickets, queue,actual time and so on. Versailles will take best part of a day to get there, explore Palace and assorted palaces, gardens etc and so on... Definitely I would add more days on Paris!
I haven't been in Italy yet, but my understanding is that your Pisa days could be better spend elsewhere.
Oct 23, 2012 2:33 AM
Oct 23, 2012 4:05 AM
3its wonderful to see people from outside europe willing to spend so much time travelling here!
just some quick toughts on your itinery: you can probably "do" dublin in 2 days, but id definitely plan at least 3 days on paris, maybe only 3 days on amsterdam and definitely you can see all of pisa in 1 day (try to be at the piazza degli miracoli where the leaning tower is at sunrise, its fantastic and literally nobody else will be there). all the things you mentioned you want to visit in berlin can be done in 2 days max.
with the days gained, you should really give vienna a thought - thats my recommendation, being austrian of course :) for 2 days, and maybe also try to go to either venice or florence for 2 days before heading south to pisa and rome.
also i know this is the lonelyplanet website, but having been to all the places youre planning to go, i always found rick steves "europe through the backdoor" book supersuperhelpful, it also gives you all the information about getting around and pretty good estimates on how much time to spend in each city.
oh and also, hostels in europe are really not that bad :) and most of them are located perfectly and offer affordable rooms for 2, with a private bathroom too, and come much cheaper than any hotels far outside the city centres.
as for getting from one place to another, the train is most likely the best choice. theres really good train connections between london and paris in only a few hours for example, or paris-amsterdam with the shortest connection of only a bit more than 3 hours.
one last note on the money: $11.000 should be way enough to do everything you want to do :)
Oct 23, 2012 4:13 AM
4please read this:
Your speed is OK- not too fats and you've clearly accounted for travel time, which is good. yet you still make some of teh other mistakes listed in that post. It will also answer your budget question.
Oct 23, 2012 5:16 AM
5Welcome to Thorn Tree.
Do you realise how far Hadrian's Wall is from London? At a rough guess, it's something like 300 miles, so it's not a day trip, or something you can fit in between all the other places you have mentioned. Also, since you are planning to spend time in Rome, you will be able to see all the Roman remains you could possibly desire right there in the city centre without having to trek out into the wilds, looking for infrequent buses and trains to get you to a truly remote location. I am not saying it isn't worth seeing, but with your draft itinerary - seven days in total for England - it makes no sense. Warwick Castle and Stonehenge are also not anywhere near London.
Ireland's greatest attraction is the beautiful scenery, not Dublin, which is a pleasant enough city but still only another city, and not worth going to Ireland for especially (unless you have relatives or friends to visit there).
You say you don't want to stay in hostels, but you may not be aware that there are hostels and hostels. You don't state your reason for not wanting to stay in hostels, but if it's because you think they are all party hostels and you want to avoid that, you should be aware that many hostels are not like that at all. Hostelling International isn't like that, for a start, and many of their hostels have private rooms for two people, which in many places will be cheaper for a double room than any other accommodation, especially if you can prepare your own meals there, which you can't do in a hotel or bed-and-breakfast. Read hostel reviews online and decide whether they are for you. If you want to avoid party hostels, steer clear of anything saying "fun!!!!!". On the other hand, that could be exactly what you are looking for, but you haven't said why you want to avoid hostels.
Oct 23, 2012 5:30 AM
Oct 23, 2012 8:36 AM
7The Keukenhof gardens are closed at the time you are in the Netherlands, because the flowers it is famous for don't blosom in that period but some month later.
A visit to Kindedijk will take most of a day by public transport. You'l have to go to Rotterdam first and take a bus from there to Kinderdijk. There is a bus that goes from Rotterdam to Utrecht, which passes by Kinderdijk, so you could combine Kinderdijk with a visit to utrecht, which is a nice town, a bit like Amsterdam but more relaxed.
Also the Delta works will take at least a day by public transport. The most interesting part is Neeltje Jans at the Oosterschelde dam.
Oct 23, 2012 1:03 PM
Oct 23, 2012 5:23 PM
9Many of the places you list are actually far from the destinations in your itinerary, as is already pointed out by some people.
Pompeii and Herculaneum are close to Naples, about 250 km from Rome. This is a 2,5 hr car drive (undoubtably longer by public transport).
The Delta Works is actually a series of different waterworks spread along the whole south west of the Netherlands. The most imposing is a storm surge barrier, the Oosterscheldekering. This is more than 3 hrs one way by train from Amsterdam.
Another surge barrier, but much closer to Amsterdam. is The Maeslandtkering, west of Rotterdam. You could go to Kinderdijk (east of Rotterdam) in the morning, then come here and have dinner in the city and maybe even stay the night, too.
For daytrips like these, renting a car might be a better option. In the Netherlands, AVIS is the one offering most value for money, as far as I know.
Berlin and Pisa are quite far apart. Not sure if you could cover that distance in one day unless you fly (easyJet offers a direct connection). Using train between all the other cities should be no problem at all.
Oct 23, 2012 11:01 PM
10Thank you all very much for your feedback. This is really helping. Yes I do realise how far some of the places are away from the main cities, I was looking for feedback on whether it would b better to do day trips out or spend overnight ect. and you have answered that for me :)
MTL - thanks I will def have a read of that.
And yes with some of the places we were planing to fly instead of train or bus as it will get us there quicker...
spending time in venice or florence sounds like a good idea ... if choosing just one which would be a better choice? For touristy and museum type things
thanks for all your advice ...keep it coming !!
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