Replies: 9 - Last Post: Oct 17, 2013 6:39 AM Last Post By: anillos_de_satu...
Oct 22, 2012 1:00 PM
EU VisaHello world travelers,
My boyfriend and I are planning a trip to Western Europe. We would like to go to Portugal, Spain, France and Italy. My boyfriend is a chef, and this trip will primarily focus on traveling through these countries and learning about their local cuisines, new cooking techniques, ect. We plan on renting small apartments in several cities for about one month never more than two. We also plan on staying in hostels, and WWOOFing. All in all, we envision to be in Europe for up to 8 months, and no less than 6. However, I am VERY confused about the EU/schengen visas. Since we will staying for more than 3 months, do we need visas? We don't plan on spending that much time in any one country. If we leave the EU, and go to, say Morocco, does that start the 90 day period over again? I apologize if this is a terribly common question, I searched through the archives and didn't find anything that really gave me concrete information/leads to information.
Thank you in advance! :)
Oct 22, 2012 1:05 PM
1What's your nationality? What options you have depend on that.
Anyway, if you're allowed to enter the Schengen Area (which is not the same as EU!) Without a visa, you ca stay 90 days per 180 day period, so a visa run to e.g. Morocco does not start another 90 day period.
Also note that WWOOFing on a tourist "visa" is considered illegal in many countries.
Oct 22, 2012 3:43 PM
The UK and Ireland are not in Schengen, nor are parts of SE Europe (e.g. Croatia, Romania), but the four countries you did list are and this is an issue for you. You could do 90 days in Portugal for example, then 90 days in the UK, then another 90 days in Spain, but then you'd have to leave again for 90 days before you could start a 3rd round.
How much money have you 2 got for this after flights in btw? Cos I reckon you'd need about 70 euros per person per day, depending on the amount of cooking courses. You see, 70 Euros per day x 7 days x 36 weeks x 2 people = 35, 280 Euros which is currently around 46,700 US Dollars...
Oct 22, 2012 4:22 PM
3Hello! Thank you for responding to my post. We are both US citizens, sorry I forgot to mention that.To the best of my understanding, as a US citizen, I can stay in one EU country for up to 90 days, but then cannot return to that country until another 90 days has passed. I suppose what I am confused about is the amount of time I am allowed to stay in EU nations. For example, is it legal to stay 90 days in Portugal, 90 days in Spain, 90 days in France and also 90 days Italy? Or does that require a visa? Also, and I will of course need to do some investigating myself, but do you have any pointers as to what sort of visa would be most appropriate for us? We don't intend to look for work and are not currently students. Thanks again!!!
Oct 22, 2012 5:35 PM
The countries you mentioned are part of the Schengen Zone. This means that you can only stay in all of those countries for 90 days out of 180. It does not mean 90 days in each country. The US consular affairs has a website on it http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_4361.html
Oct 22, 2012 9:35 PM
5Erikiki, as #4 said, you're allowed to spend 90 days out of 180 days in the Schengen Area, which includes all countries you listed. It is not possible to extend this period and long-stay tourist visas do not exist.
You may try to find out if you qualify for a visa for one of these countries (there are no long-stay visas for all of Schengen or for the EU), although technically speaking this is only valid for the issuing country and the 90/180 day restriction still applies to the rest of the Schengen Area.
But before you ask any further basic questions, could you please do a forum search? There are at least 2-3 questions about extended stays in the EU/Schengen/Europe every week.
Oct 23, 2012 8:52 AM
Welcome to TT!
To the best of my understanding, as a US citizen, I can stay in one EU country for up to 90 days, but then cannot return to that country until another 90 days has passed.
That's wrong. You are allowed to stay up to 90 days (in a 180 calendar days period) in all the Schengen area; not in each country member of the Schengen area.
BTW, not all the countries members of the EU are part of the Schengen area and not all the countries memebers of the Schengen Area are part of the EU. You can find a list with all the countries that are currently members of the Schengen Area in the Map available in this web (BTW, that map also shows which EU countries aren't part of the Schengen area and which countries that are part of the Schengen Area aren't part of the EU).
All the countries you quoted in your first post are part of both the EU and the Schengen area. As Aribo pointed out in #5, long-stay tourist visas for the Schengen Area don't exist. And as Aribo pointed out in #1, in some countries, you'll need a visa for WWOOFing. If you get a long term visa (e.g.: a Working Holiday Visa) for one of the countries members of the Schengen Area, you'll be allowed to stay longer in that country but only in that country. The rules for all the rest of the Schengen Area (i.e. not for each one of the rest of the countries of the Schengen area but for all of them as a whole): will keep being the same: that's it: 90 days in each 180 calendar days period.
In short, all the countries you plan to visit are part of the Schengen Area. In a 180 calendar days period you can't spend more than 90 days in the Schengen Area. You can spend your 90 days in the Schengen Area in only one of the member countries or in several member countries (even in all of them, if you want).
Oct 23, 2012 5:57 PM
7Practically speaking: you can spend 3 months and then you have to leave again for 3 months before you can come back. This rules out your idea of spending about a month in 4 Schengen countries (Portugal, Spain, France and Italy). At least: you can't do this continuously.
If you want to spend 8 months here, you should divide these like so (maximizing your stay in Schengen area):
- 1st period: Months 1-3 in Schengen area
- 2nd period: Months 4-6 not in Schengen area
- 3rd period: Months 7 & 8 again in Schengen area
Of course, officially it goes more specific by the day (90 days in 180 day period), but this will work for now.
If this makes sense to you, find countries that fit the requirements. For instance:
- You could spend the 1st Period in Portugal and Spain (but you can also choose Spain and France, or France and Italy or Portugal and Italy, etc.).
- Then for the 2nd Period you tour the Balkans for nice cuisine. Croatia, Serbia, Romania, to name a few all have excellent food. Perhaps even Turkey or Morocco! These countries also tend to be quite a bit cheaper than Western Europe. You would have to check if you need separate, country specific visas for these countries.
- In the 3rd Period you have some time to spend in Italy and France.
With the link provided by anillos in #6 you can try to make nice combinations yourself.
Oct 17, 2013 5:21 AM
8Well I have learned alot by reading this. However-my situation is just a little different. First, I am a Canadian, soon to be a artist in residence for the month of November in Spain. I first entered the EU in Germany from Canada-before heading for another artists residency in Svalbard (which is out of the EU and Schengen zone)via Norway and was told at that time (September 25) that I could get a temporary resident card for Spain.When I re-entered the Schengen via Norway on Oct 14--I was again told I had 3 months--but I am not sure who to talk to about the temporary resident card. The Canadian embassy hasn't gotten in touch about it.Do you know anything more about this? Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Oct 17, 2013 6:39 AM
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