being an 'amsterdammer' ('mokummer" we say) i couldn't resist!
Replies: 4 - Last Post: Oct 7, 2012 7:58 AM Last Post By: Aribo
Oct 5, 2012 8:40 AM
being an 'amsterdammer' ('mokummer" we say) i couldn't resist!hi folks,
i just read this article from the 'huffington post', which i thought would be nice for the visitors on this forum:
though amsterdam does not represent the whole of the country, of course. and not just americans may find it fun and 'educational'. the comments are fun to read, too!
Oct 5, 2012 10:30 AM
Oct 6, 2012 3:10 AM
2Well, yes, I wouldn't say that the things pointed to have anything in particular to do with Amsterdammers .. I doubt that they even have much to do with the Dutch.
Some of her points are just way off the mark .. #3 for example. First time I moved to the Netherlands, went to a bakery and wanted a load of bread. I was used to white or brown. Not much chance of that happening in a Dutch bakery. Quite aside from the different sorts of 'brown' and white, differences in what might be sprinkled on top, or different shapes of the loaves, I had to work my way through a series of questions including whether the loaf was to be sliced or not, and whether a half or a whole loaf was preferred.
A discussion about that 'honesty' characteristic might be fun .. might get nasty though.
Oct 7, 2012 5:18 AM
3What's interesting is how people describe things with words, making virtues out of vices. Some Dutch like to say they are being honest to describe what others might call a lack of tact or lack of social skills. I've been watching Expeditie Robinson, with the usual conflicts between the Dutch and Belgians, the latter accusing the former of bluntness andthe former defending themselves with "At least I'm being honest."
I sometimes wonder if, in the case of the Dutch, it is related to the consensus mentality, on the one hand a lot of social control and on the other hand people needing to work extra hard at carving out their own individual space by speaking up.
But there is always a value judgement here. I sympathize with the American author of the linked article. I get even more irritated by too much political correctness, which can blind people to the realities. I think of those accusations on the forum about rudeness and snarkiness. It's OK to be dumb but not OK to point it out .. a value judgement.
Oct 7, 2012 7:58 AM
4Well, in fact said tram conductor did remind me of the Nederlandse Bank building - utterly charmless and far too bulky.
Somehow, though, I felt like giving an honest answer when I heard her comment over the intercom, wouldn't be well received - after all, typical Amsterdams sense of humour is only considered funny until you're on the receiving end.
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