Replies: 46 - Last Post: Feb 4, 2013 3:43 PM Last Post By: Kerouac2
Sep 24, 2012 1:28 PM
That raises the further question: Is there a Saint Michelle?
Can't be sold under that name in France, though.
Sep 24, 2012 1:41 PM
4No Saint Michelle according to http://www.catholic.org/saints/
Sep 24, 2012 2:01 PM
5Australia conceded that one to the EU years ago. We used to have "claret", "port", "champagne" etc. That's one reason why Australia spearheaded the move toward varietal naming.
Fortified wines like Fine Tawny Port just changed to something like FineTawny
Sep 24, 2012 4:12 PM
6Just as we have "The Artist formerly known as Prince," we Americans ought to be able to come up with appropriate names for our wines, whether still or sparkling. It might require a bigger label, but how about "The fine, aged, sparkling wine formerly known as Champagne, from the House of Ernest and Julio Gallo"?
Sep 24, 2012 4:24 PM
7They just call it "sparkling wine" in Australia now. The good ones have built an international reputation, so they don't need to pretend to be anything else.
If it's "méthode champenoise" then they say that on the label.
Sep 24, 2012 7:16 PM
You don't see those names as much as you used to. When I was beginning my drinking career, almost all US wines seemed to be called something like champagne or chablis or sauterne (no final s) or burgundy. Now, and for the last forty years or so, it's almost all varietals.
The issue discussed at the link in OP is different. These are wines otherwise marketable in France, most likely under a varietal name, whose vineyard happens to call itself Château Montalena or Clos Duval. Illegal under current French law.
You don't see those names for American wine the way you used to
Sep 24, 2012 7:40 PM
9Chateau Ste. Michelle isn't so old, as winemakers go. From their website:
"Ste. Michelle Vintners planted its first vines at Cold Creek Vineyard in Eastern Washington in 1972."
"In 1976, Ste. Michelle Vintners built a French style Chateau in Woodinville, and changed its name to Chateau Ste. Michelle."
Sep 25, 2012 1:44 AM
10By creating hard-to-comply-with rules around the use of the word Chateau, the French made it into a valuable intellectual property right. The French are good at that kind of thing. It isn't easy: the Italians tried to imitate them and with a few exceptions mostly made a mess of it. The Germans have their own wine-naming rules which results in wines labelled things like Schlossbockelheimer Kupfergruber Riesling Beerenauslese Qualitatswein mit Pradikat Staatlicher Weinbaudomanen Niederhauser-Schlossbockelheim (that's from memory), which have not been a brilliant marketing success - though what I have just named would probably cost over $100 a bottle. Meanwhile, certain others, rather than imitating the successful processes of the French in creating valuable intellectual property, instead try to appropriate and devalue that property. It is no surprise the Europeans aren't happy about having their expensively created and valuable intellectual property appropriated.
Sep 25, 2012 2:02 AM
Sep 25, 2012 2:45 AM
12You can take our wine but you can never take our FREEDOM !
Sep 25, 2012 3:16 AM
Sep 25, 2012 3:38 AM
It is amusingly true that the French learned how better to make cheap bulk wine by importing Australian expertise. Meanwhile the Australians were in France learning how to make the best stuff.
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