Shepherd's Pie - a survey
Replies: 91 - Last Post: Sep 27, 2012 2:33 PM Last Post By: callippo
Sep 25, 2012 12:41 PM
75I just had lunch with a friend at the Tilted Kilt in San Diego.
I had Maggie Mae's Fish & Chips, he had Danny Boys Shepherd's Pie.
The shepherd's pie is described on the menu as: Seasoned Ground Beef, Carrots, Peas and Mushroom Gravy topped with Garlic Mashed Potatoes and Parmesan Cheese. Served with Garlic Bread.
It was served in a small black pot, looked like ground beef stew with a scoop of mashed potatoes dropped in the center. Not baked or crusty.
Sep 25, 2012 1:00 PM
76It takes a while for the penny to drop, if at all.
I once worked with a young American girl who's surname was Berkshire, I said darling you mean Barkshire, she said we say Berkshire.
Sep 26, 2012 12:45 AM
77whats so special about that. It's very common. The American prounciation of clerk is clerk to rhyme with work or berk. In Britain, it's clark, to rhyme with dark. So what. One is not more 'correct' than the other. Exactly why, is one dialect supposed to be superior, to another one.
if you ask people randomly what kind of meat, shepherd's pie is supposed to contain, a lot, like the restaurant linked in #75, will say beef. More will say lamb, especially in the UK, as today in the UK, the convenience food industry, to increase its sales, has decided to draw a big distinction between them. It's like clerk and clark. One is not better or more 'correct' than another. They're the ones who cook the food, and feed it to their children. If they want to call the minced beef and potato pie Shepherd's Pie, like their own mother's did, who are you or anybody else to tell them that they are 'incorrect' to call it that, unless it's a lamb based pie, despite you not having any real etymological evidence that this is what shepherd's pies originally were?
Sep 26, 2012 10:25 AM
78The UK food industry and those especially in the UK know or should the difference between shepherds and cottage pie, maybe it's an IQ thing or maybe they're just guessing. Of the lot that say shepherds pie contains beef, all I can say is maybe they don't know what shepherds do or they think it's something like hamburger which doesn't contain ham or maybe a lot of people do think it does. The same goes for many different recipes from savouries to sweets, some have absolutely no connection to what they are called and some do as in SHEPHERDS PIE bleat! bleat!
Now as far as pronunciations / colloquialisms go, Barksheer (Berkshire) is as correct as Berik (Berwick), Lester (Leicester) is as correct as Bister (Beicester) and Toaster (Towcester) is as correct as Hayes-Burra (Happisburgh)
Sep 26, 2012 5:08 PM
79unlike in the modern UK ready meals industry, there is no difference between the terms Cottage Pie, and Shepherd's Pie in folkore and linguistics, except the latter (Shepherd's Pie) gradually got to become the more common and popular expression, to describe the same simple meal, served in private homes up and down the country and indeed right across the world, than the former (Cottage Pie) did.
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