Shepherd's Pie - a survey
Replies: 91 - Last Post: Sep 27, 2012 2:33 PM Last Post By: callippo
Sep 23, 2012 1:16 AM
Shepherd's Pie - a surveywithout anyone going to google, I would like to ask people what the term 'Shepherd's Pie' - a traditional, meat and potatoes British dish - means to them. What kind of meat, would it ordinarily contain? If it was on the menu when you were a kid growing up, what did it normally consist of? Or did you call the same dish, by some other name than Shepherd's Pie?
Sep 23, 2012 1:30 AM
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Sep 23, 2012 7:56 AM
3To this American, it means some kind of meat and potatoes British dish, one that I am not sure I have ever eaten, by any name. In fact, I was long into adulthood before I ever encountered the term. For a long time, I thought "cottage pie" must be a kind of dessert.
Sep 23, 2012 8:31 AM
Sep 23, 2012 9:24 AM
5Shephards pie is made with carrots, onions, celery, chopped,fried, with minced lamb added. This is then put into a pie dish, and mashed potato is put all over the top. The pie is cooked in the oven until the potato is brown and crispy.This pie, a popular family meal in England is now usually made with minced(ground) beef, and is thus called Cottage pie. What the connection between Cottage and beef is, I don't know.
Sep 23, 2012 10:16 AM
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Sep 23, 2012 12:06 PM
9Don't believe everything you read on wiki. Beef and other meat was expensive and out reach for the poor, they had to resort to offal. Cottage pie would have consisted of a variety of offal parts with a scalloped potato topping. By the 19th century meat such as mutton was considered to be a less quality meat than lamb and became available to the poor at a lower price, the idea of using lamb in a shepherds pie would have been unthinkable, you wouldn't waste good meat on a cheap dish.
Sep 23, 2012 12:12 PM
Sep 23, 2012 12:38 PM
11I don't think it was called cottage pie because of the meat..whether lamb,mutton,beef or offal...but because of the potato.
Potato was the food of the really poor...if I remember there were even riots in the UK when people were 'forced' to eat potatoes instead of bread,oats etc.
The division into Cottage pie (with beef) and Shepherd's Pie (with lamb/mutton) came a lot later.
Sep 23, 2012 1:10 PM
12Wikipedia, citing assorted dictionaries, says that "cottage pie" is the older term, being first recorded in 1791. "Shepherd's pie" dates only to 1877. They add that
I found an 1897 recipe for "Chicken Cottage Pie."
Sep 23, 2012 1:30 PM
Sep 23, 2012 1:31 PM
14If you don't think it was called cottage pie because of the meat but because of the potato, it would have been a potato pie.
But tell me more about these UK riots where people were forced to eat potatoes instead of bread,oats etc., what century was it and why were they rioting ?.
Shepherds pie came on the scene during the mid 19th century.
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