2 different EU passports: can I therefore stay longer outside of the EU?
Replies: 9 - Last Post: Sep 3, 2012 2:10 PM Last Post By: travelinstyle46
Sep 2, 2012 5:45 AM
2 different EU passports: can I therefore stay longer outside of the EU?A tourist visa for a specific Caribbean island lasts 6 months max, with no return within another 6 months, but I want to stay a few years.
1. In January I travel to that Caribbean island from the UK on a 6 month tourist visa on my UK passport.
2. In June I return to the UK, leave my UK passport with friends and get a plane to Italy on my Italian passport (dual national but same name and address).
3. After a few days I board a plane to the same Caribbean island on a 6 month tourist visa on my Italian passport (different long-haul airline).
4. I fly back to Italy and then fly to the UK to pick up my UK passport again.
5. Repeat the following year.
I am thus able to stay away from the EU almost year round, for a few years (I have funds to maintain myself)
As far as the Caribbean island's Immigration is concerned is this legal and possible?
Sep 2, 2012 11:32 PM
Sep 3, 2012 7:01 AM
2I don't know how immigration computers work in the Carribeans, but in many countries computer systems are geared to rely on names, dates of birth, places of birth and nationalities. It is likely that the IO will get a possible match on his screen when he punches your name into the system. This is done because passport numbers change every five or ten years depending on the issuing country. You might want to reconsider your strategy. For example, if you can show enough dosh, you may get extended visa as a "person of means". Remember honesty is the best strategy, and computers have a long, long memory!
Sep 3, 2012 7:35 AM
3Thanks for that answer. And if I were to do so, what do you think would be the penalty? If it is deportation, does that always mean immediate (i.e. do they give you time to collect belongings and 'move out' properly or are you held in a 'cell' until the next plane back, not able to return for years?)
Sep 3, 2012 7:47 AM
People will not be able to answer meaningfully given you do not name the country, even then there will be few people with experience.
Breach of immigration law is a crime (anybody know of a country where it is not?) and you will be treated as a criminal. Will that mean you can collect your belongings or not, I don't know.
Sep 3, 2012 8:04 AM
5As I have told you, I don't know much about the nuts and bolts of the immigration system in the Carribeans, but remember that member states of the Carribean Community have harmonizedther immigration policies, so itwould be reasonable to assume that if caught in breach of immigration rules on one island could spell trouble in other islands as well. I would assume that breach of immigration rules could result in at least a deportation hearing rather than straight removal. Most Carribean island s have emulated the British, Dutch, or French legal system, so you can expect a fair treatement, but don't push your luck mate!
Sep 3, 2012 8:12 AM
Sep 3, 2012 11:28 AM
- Sorry, I was thinking of Jamaica specifically, but it'd would be useful to know about any Caribbean, and in fact any 'non-western', country...
- Anyone know if 'person of independent means' means having six or seven figures in your bank account, or just a regular average deposit into a foreign/offshore bank?
- Also anyone know any good expat forum for this type of question?
Sep 3, 2012 12:15 PM
Post it on www.britishexpats.com
There is a Carribean boards
Sep 3, 2012 2:10 PM
9Actually, response #1 is the correct answer. You ask them to let you stay.
Go to Jamaica for your first 6 months and visit Immigration in Kingston. I believe you can apply for an extension to stay beyond the 6 months. You can also apply for Permanent Residency if you want.
Read here to get some idea of what to expect. http://doctoromeetmebythesea.blogspot.ca/2011/03/applying-for-permanent-residency-in.html
I also 'gleaned' this from another jamaica-gleaner article.
"With regard to your status, note that if you are not of Jamaican heritage (i.e. your parents or grandparents being Jamaican) then you would not qualify for UL. Note, however, that you can be given up to six months to remain in the island at the port of entry. This is entirely at the discretion of the immigration officer at the airport, and if you wish to extend your stay you must visit our office in Kingston or Montego Bay and make an application. The process costs J$10,000."
As long as you are not a criminal and can prove you have the funds to support you, I don't think you will have any problems (beyond the usual bureacratic foul ups found everywhere). Actually, a lot easier than a Jamaican who wants to live in the UK or Italy would find it.
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