Proof of Desparture?
Replies: 9 - Last Post: Sep 9, 2012 6:11 PM Last Post By: bicko
Aug 28, 2012 4:41 PM
Proof of Desparture?Hi all! I'll soon be starting a trip through South America and plan to start in Ecuador. I won't be traveling with round trip air tickets since I don't have a solid plan as to when I'll leave or where I'll go next. As of now I have no proof of departure. Will this be a problem getting through customs at the airport when I arrive? If so, does anyone know how what kind of documentation I need to get through?
Aug 28, 2012 5:12 PM
Aug 30, 2012 7:34 PM
Aug 30, 2012 8:27 PM
3Many people enter Ecuador by plane and leave for Peru or Colombia by bus so the people at the airport won't refuse you entry because of lack of a return or onwards ticket. You might experience a problem with your airline who may try to get more money out you by forcing you to buy a return or onward ticket. This is illegal I think and if they do hassle you tell them so and take your business elsewhere.
Sep 9, 2012 11:16 AM
4It's not illegal for the airlines to ask for proof of onward travel; for many (arrival) countries it's actually illegal for them not to. Plus, if a passenger is denied entry at the border the airline has to fly them back for free. That said, because it's so common that people fly into one country and out of another, airlines for South America typically are happy with proof you're leaving the continent, not necessarily the country. The flip side of that is proof you're leaving the country might not be enough if you don't have proof you're leaving the continent.
Bethdove, if you manage to get on the plane, you'll be fine.
Sep 9, 2012 2:33 PM
5It is NOT "illegal" for the airlines not to ask for onward travel proof. That is apologizing for certain airlines who cheat their passengers, and for certain travel agents who are happy to pocket extra commissions. Nobody has yet to be denied entry for that reason, no airlines have been forced to fly anyone int his situation back for free, and the airlines KNOW it.
Sep 9, 2012 4:26 PM
6I'm sorry, but you're wrong when we're talking about the issue globally. The link below is the most recent case I've seen in the media. If you want we can limit the discussion to Ecuador since that is the subject of this thread. Perhaps you have some proof that no one has been denied entry to Ecuador and an airline thus forced to fly someone back to their origin? Obviously, to make such a statement you must know the story of every single passenger who has arrived by plane and aren't simply saying you've never heard of it happening.
Since we know that there are some countries which will take action against airlines for transporting passengers who don't meet entry requirements, perhaps you could come up with a way for airlines to decide which countries' laws to take seriously and which ones to ignore?
Sep 9, 2012 5:18 PM
7NZ and it's role model Australia has fascist customs, South America has laid back customs - that's the whole story. No one was ever deported or probably even asked about return ticket in any South American country.
Problem is that official requirements are stating otherwise, so the airlines stick to them, as they really can be fined if immigration will use their own rules.
Because this is South America nothing is simple, so rules are irrelevant but they are still being enforced by airlines...
I don't care about it and just print fake tickets, works all the time.
Sep 9, 2012 5:36 PM
8bicko, in this on-going discussion in this section, I have already distinguished the non-applicable situation (such as when Americans, Canadians and Aussies need pre-applied visas to enter Brazil) where the person needs pre-applied visa as opposed to the situation where a person just arrives needing a standard 90 day tourist stamp. The story is a typical story, and I quote, of: " to prevent those ineligible for entry from being allowed to board aircraft offshore". The link is proof of nothing in this issue, eligible enterers not having onward tickets.
The airlines perfectly know the situation, they can play stupid like you do, but they are not stupid.
I know from following the issue for decades, from my own travels with one-way tickets for decades, and talking to thousands of people that onward tickets alone are NEVER an issue in. Everyone who knows the situation here knows that. You ask me to prove 100%, how can I do that? 2,000 out of 2,000 is not good enough for you? I ask you to find one real exception and you cannot. Why are you licking the boots of of unconscionable airlines and some greedy travel agents? Does credibility mean nothing to you?
Sep 9, 2012 6:11 PM
9I know that immigration agents almost never care. But it is a law on the books and the airlines really are vulnerable to it. There is no rational way for an airline to compile a list of countries whose laws they have to obey and those they don't. I'm not a defender of the airlines - in fact, I go out of my way to take advantage of them. I'm just not quite as cynical as you are on this issue.
For the record, I have personally had to come up with a last minute solution to being threatened with denied boarding twice. The first time, the airline I was traveling on refused to sell me an onward ticket and instead sent me to their competitor (a real competitor, not an alliance partner of any kind). The second time, the airline check in desk person made me a booking, printed out a piece of paper to show at the border if necessary, and then cancelled the booking. If it were true that airlines were enforcing these policies out of greed, my experiences in these situations would have been different.
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