Euro trip for 2013
Replies: 11 - Last Post: Aug 24, 2012 12:53 AM Last Post By: BthDth
Aug 23, 2012 6:43 AM
Euro trip for 2013Hey everyone, new here so nice to meet you all!
Planning a little/big trip around certain countries in Europe. Here's what I have in mind so far:
Will be driving, and have friends/family in a few of the areas to lower costs (Switzerland and Germany).
Was wondering if there's anywhere on that map that's not worth seeing at all or if there's anything close by that I absolutely should see? We have about 20 days so it'll be a fairly rushed trip but we're all in favour of fitting in as much as possible (even though it'll be exhausting). Probably will stay 1 (maybe 2 in certain places) day in most big cities.
Aug 23, 2012 7:06 AM
There's also a matter of why you choose to go to a place. Your own reasons can be good enough reason, whatever that reason is. I might wonder why you're going to town X and you say "Visiting family." Well, that's a good enough reason for going there.
Aug 23, 2012 7:12 AM
2I would say "fairly rushed" is an understatement. One or two days in a place is not much, remember to get one full day in a place you have to stay two nights.
It is also hard to advise with out knowing your interests and have you been to Europe before? What country are you from?
The map is nice, but what cities do you plan on spending some time.
Aug 23, 2012 7:21 AM
3My apologies - I did make the map drawn across roads with markers on the places we wanted to see - for some reason it's jsut turned it into straight lines everywhere.
Thank you for the feedback, no concrete plan as such now, hence why I was asking for some advise, I realise it might be a bit rushed for time but although this might sound weird, I'm actually more into the driving part than discovering big cities.
There's some in particular I would like to see on the way, Liechtenstein, Venice, Zagreb, Vienna, Prague and Frankfurt. The others I'd like to see but wouldn't be too fussed if we just get a few hours and then hit the road again. I realise that this isn't always so easy...
... from London so I know how bad the traffic can get or how it can take you ages to get anywhere you'd like to go.
Anyway, was asking more for advice on the areas - if there's anything not really worth seeing or things I should be seeing around that approximate route. The days/timing/money situation can be looked at afterwards.
Aug 23, 2012 7:26 AM
Aug 23, 2012 7:26 AM
5Your map is as the crow flies and not as the car drives. I would recommend you do a driving map from city to city that calculates the km and driving time(add 20% to that time), then you will see more what your trip will be like. On you map the distance from Calais to Switzerland is considerable and there are many places of interest on the way and it would be possible to spend your whole 20 days in that area alone. Give us a map showing the roads you will be on and it will be much more helpful for us to advise and for you to decide if it is possible.
Aug 23, 2012 7:35 AM
Aug 23, 2012 7:41 AM
7Re-drew the map... should have dots on the cities to visit and should follow the roads this time. Approx 4k km and 44hrs drive. Count getting lost, that's probably around 60 hours drive.
Hopefully this'll work:
Aug 23, 2012 9:27 AM
Sorry, but I see a purple line crossing cities, but not marks or stages or similar... Anyway, I think your trip will be like: Get up in the morning in some city, check out, take the car, drive many hours, get to another city, look for the hotel, put the things in the hotel, walk around few hours, sleep, wake up, leave the hotel, drive, and so on.
Probably could be OK at the begining, but day after day will be somehow tougher... Not only for the driver, but for the others. I think you should enjoy a couple of days (or more) in places like Prague, Budapest, Wien... Also, you will go from city to city and cross country after country without known anything about them...
Have fun, but personally I will drop off quite a lot of places and focus in less area, for driving less and enjoy more time each place. But, if you want to say: "I was there", this is a perfect trip.
Aug 23, 2012 3:35 PM
91) Unsure where the start/finish is (this makes an impact), maybe Calais cos the only reason to visit there is for Brits starting a road tour but I went for Prague.
2) Redraw it again, using from/to route planner, not crow flying straight lines.
I think this is Prague to Nuremberg to Frankfurt to Luxembourg to Brussels to Bruges to Calais to Solothurn to to Vaduz to Verona to Venice to Ljubljana to Zagreb to Budapest to Bratislava to Vienna to Prague
3) Use http://www.viamichelin.com to figure out durations + fuel burn cost + tolls + motorway tax.
You listed 17 destinations in 20 days. This is an issue. Explanation:
Prague to Nuremberg to Frankfurt to Luxembourg to Brussels to Brugges to Calais = 140 EUR fuel burn for a small car + 12.02 EUR road tax (call that 12 EUR). It's also 15 hrs. Keep the 15 hrs in mind.
Calais to Zagreb (via the rest) is 64.30 EUR tolls, 220 EUR fuel burn and another 23 hrs. Keep the 23 hrs in mind.
Zagreb via the rest to Prague is 5 EUR tolls, 108 EUR fuel burn and another 11.5 hrs.
Total cost for road trip = 550 EUR + as near as makes no difference 50 hrs driving.
Assuming we means you + other half...
20 days = 480 hrs.
However, subtract the following:-
8 hrs sleeping per day
2 hrs eating per day
0.25 hrs per 4 hrs driven for breaks
0.5 hr driving in/around cities trying to find your hostel/hotel and parking per destination
0.75 hrs per day for personal hygiene
0.5 hrs on arrival orientating yourself after checking in per destination
Another 0.5 hrs per destination for checking in/out
0.75 hrs per week phoning/emailing home to tell everyone you're fine, catch up on gossip and do some facebooking.
20 days x 8 hrs = 160 hrs sleeping
20 days x 2 hrs = 40 hrs eating
50 hours driving divided by 4 = 12.5. Rounded down to 12. 12 x 0.25 = 3 hrs car driving breaks.
17 destinations x 0.5 hrs driving in/around cities trying to park the motor = 8.5 hrs.
0.75 hrs per day for personal hygiene (including dumps, quick pisses, showers, shaves etc) x 20 days = 15 hrs
17 destinations x 0.5 hrs orientating yourself in your new destination = 8.5 hrs
17 destinations x 0.5 hrs checking in/out of accom = 8.5 hrs
0.75 hrs x 3 weeks = 2.25 hrs (lets assume you're antisocial and round it down to 2 for simple maths.
480 - 160 - 40 - 3 - 8.5 - 15 - 8.5 - 8.5 - 2 = 232.5 hrs left for sight seeing + drinking.
NB: No hangovers are assumed.
232.5 hrs / 20 days = 11 hrs per day.
Are you sure you only wanna spend 11 hrs per destination before you gotta get back in the car and move to yet another destination?
Can you sustain that for 3 weeks without killing each other? If so no problem.
Maths aside, a review of the destinations.
Calais - boring, entirely skip.
Solothurn - unless visiting rellies/friends, skip
Vaduz - tourist trap, rich tourist trap. Unless clocking up countries visited, skip.
Verona - OK I guess..
Ljubljana, not been, but not heard great things from those that have.
Zagreb on the other hand, also not been, but meant to have GREAT night life.
Skip lots of destinations... Nuremberg - why?
Ditto Frankfurt and Luxembourg.
Aug 24, 2012 12:31 AM
Aug 24, 2012 12:53 AM
The new map still doesn't work, but this quote gives me an idea of what you're wanting to do.
I can only offer some comments to think about.
A road-trip (the driving rather than the places) can be fun and I've taken several myself. But for me the emphasis is on scenic road trip, with room for spontaneity. It's one thing to drive from A to B with your attention on the road. It's an entirely different enterprise to be driving while being alert to the scenery and opportunities for stopping and looking around. This difference in purpose and style of the driving is why I find the time-estimates to be of little value. They give minimum travel times, but I'd typically be taking much longer getting from my A to B.
Scenic road trips have a different function than city trips. The second has the emphasis on the places and with travel time to be minimized. Right now your plan looks like a mix of both, and you may end up with the least of both styles. It's time consuming to get in and out of larger cities, finding your way around street plans, dealing with parking. It all can easily eat up an hour or more and one hour out of a long day is quite a chunk. I generally stick to smaller towns for my overnight stops, the practicalities are less time-consuming, and small towns more relaxing. I leave the bigger cities for a city-oriented trip.
Since you're asking about routes as such, I wonder where the emphasis really lies. It seems to be on the scenic route road trip, yet the structure of the plan looks like a city tour ...
I think this can be easily worked out as you go, as long as you are flexible and have some sort of bail-out strategy. What I mean is that it's only going to take you a couple of days to figure out if it's all working or not -- whether it's too fast or too slow, or too tiring, or whatever. You could adjust accordingly.
And as long as you're prepared at any point to terminate the out-route and loop back sooner than planned, you're sort of in a 'can't lose' situation.
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