Cario to Nairobi: Suggestions
Replies: 9 - Last Post: Jul 21, 2012 8:18 AM Last Post By: tomrc86
Jun 29, 2012 10:27 PM
Cario to Nairobi: SuggestionsIn a few months, I'm going to Israel for a birthright trip. I live in Thailand, so after the trip, I want to eventually fly there. I want to do some traveling first.
I've always wanted to see Africa and thought this might be a good time to do it. It seems that the most direct route would be Egypt-Sudan-Ethiopia-Kenya.
I'm aware that Sudan has its share of problems and I'm getting mixed information on traveling there. On one hand, I've heard that it should be avoided at all costs, by others (plus posts on the TT), I've read that if you stick to the route that goes to Ethiopia.. I think stop at places like Karima, it is relatively safe. I know that there is a substantial risk in traveling there at any cost, but I'm trying to gauge what that's like.
I'm not green when it comes to traveling and have had my share of adventures... multiple trips to India, hitch-hiked in Siberia and Mongolia, Bangladesh.... etc. But, Africa is completely unknown to me. It's been my style to usually just show up in a place and figure it out when I get there, but I think this is a different sort of trip that requires a bit more research and maybe less 'impulse travel'.
Am I correct in thinking that the riskiest parts of a trip would be Sudan and Nairobi? I don't intend on staying in Nairobi other than to fly out. I have a friend from Ethiopia who says I have nothing to worry about traveling there.
Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Also, is it realistic to do this trip (Israel excluded, so Egypt to Kenya) in 5 or 6 weeks? I'm hoping to do it on a shoestring budget.
Jun 30, 2012 8:05 AM
Jun 30, 2012 10:01 AM
2Sudan is among the most difficult and least predictable countries in the world. It should not be your first African experience. Take the four-hour flight to Addis, and if you want a reasonable amount of adventure travel from there to Nairobi overland.
Kenya has a vast tourist industry and is reasonably safe (although it has more petty crime than Ethiopia, which is a good deal safer than average for the world). Nairobi can be hazardous by night, but should be fine for an experienced traveller.
Jun 30, 2012 10:07 AM
31- I'm not going to have an Israeli visa or stamp. You can request they stamp a piece of paper instead.
Sudan is among the most difficult and least predictable countries in the world. It should not be your first African experience.
Have you been there? Can you give some examples of what it was like?
It wouldn't be my first African experience, as I'll have traveled across Egypt.
Jun 30, 2012 10:56 AM
41- I'm not going to have an Israeli visa or stamp. You can request they stamp a piece of paper instead.
I would suggest you to ask about this subject in the Middle East branch. From what I read in TT (take a look at this thread; specially post #4), you can request to be stamped in a separate piece of paper but you aren't always granted it. They are talking about land borders and I'm not sure if it'll be the same when entering by plane but I think it would be a good idea to ask it.
BTW, as you can see in that thread, if you plan to go overland from Israel to Egypt, you can be denied entry into Sudan even if you don't have an Israeli visa or stamp. The Egyptian stamp at the border post will show you came from Israel...
Jun 30, 2012 4:04 PM
5Hmm, interesting advice. I shall talk to some friends in Israel and ask them about the situation in regards to airport.
I'm beginning to understand #2's comment about Sudan being unpredictable. It seems that the most I could hope for is getting the visa in advance from America, then taking my chances... or maybe flying Tel Aviv to Cairo to not have the land border stamp?
I usually like traveling by land as much as possible. The Middle East and the African continent are the two hardest regions to do it, it seems.
Jul 1, 2012 2:14 AM
6No #5, the difficulty about getting into Sudan does not begin to scratch the surface of the reasons why I describe it as being "unpredictable". And Egypt does not even begin to prepare you for this kind of situation. I suggest you read some of the travel stories posted on this forum, or talk with people who have spent time living and working there. For the moment, think of the overland journey between Israel and Ethiopia as like the surface route between Thailand and Israel: so long and difficult that flying makes sense.
Jul 2, 2012 5:28 PM
Well I m from Egypt and I can tell you that the only way to get into Sudan from Egypt is to take the ferry that leaves from Aswan twice a week, Monday and Thursday, but double check as they might change according to the political situation in both countries, you can get the ticket either from Cairo, Ramses Railway Station, the Platform # 20, just behind the post main office phone Number 01063237755 local number, u can call it from your hotel in Cairo.
My friend wanted to go there by car and the Army border told him don't even think about that, we will fire on anyone crossing, as the border point is away from the border and only for Trucks, so private cars will not be allowed, take the safe side.
As for crossing the borders from Sudan to Ethiopia then to Kenya didn't do it before but will isA, so if you don't mind give me some advice after you do the trip and come back home safe.
As for crossing the border from Israel to Egypt I m not sure if our country stamp on the passport or no, double check.
Have a safe trip
Jul 2, 2012 6:29 PM
8Voyager. Thanks for urging caution. I am in the beginning phases of planning and am going to research more and make a decision afterwards. I have done a trip overland from Madrid to Bangkok which I loved. especially the harder parts like hitch hiking from Siberia to western Mongolia without speaking Russian.
Ahmed, thanks for the border info. If I decide to do the trip, I will post up a report about it.
Jul 21, 2012 8:18 AM
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