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Perfect Holiday in North Pakistan

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lionline

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Jun 27, 2012 6:22 AM
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Perfect Holiday in North Pakistan

We returned last week from a quite wonderful two-week trip to Gilgit Baltistan of Pakistan. Longer would have been nice but vacation schedule didn’t allow for more. Hopefully we will return some day. We were traveling in a country where many friends thought we were crazy to be at this time but our confidence in our planner was well placed.

For those of you contemplating a visit to Pakistan, I can only say to do it now as seeing the wonders at this time of the year is unique and special. There were places where we found ourselves alone when normally there would have been more. Nowhere was crowded. Actually it is sad to see what has happened to tourism and what it is doing to the thousands of Pakistanis who work in the industry.
We chose to go to Gilgit Baltistan because of the unique and beautiful geography, the traditional cultures, and the opportunity to get off the beaten path. And it really exceeded our expectations. It was the kind of trip that changes one’s perspective, much like the trip we made to India some years ago. The scenery was amazingly beautiful and endlessly changing and fascinating. No matter how rugged and remote, there were always people in the scene. We had quite a bit of interaction with the people because we would stop and walk around villages as well as stopping at homes.

At no time did we feel in danger or that our safety was in jeopardy, even in the area around Gilgit. At least during our stay, demonstrations were very localized and did not seem to have impact on the day-to-day functioning of society. We were able to have some very interesting discussions with many Pakistanis while we were there. Their opinions were all over the place in terms of what they were supporting and whom they wanted to prevail but they were united in their hopes.

In our short time in Pakistan, we began with 3 days in Skardu, staying at the wonderful Shangrila in Skardu, where gazing out our window on the surrounding was totally surreal. It was a pinch yourself moment.

While in Skardu we had time to visit the Old Fort, the fascinating Shigar valley and hot springs—where I would like to have spent more time exploring.
From Skardu we drove to the magnificent, not to be missed, Hunza, stopping at Rakaposhi base camp and Chalat on the way. The Forts erected in Karimabad area by rulers of Skardu. These are the Forts cum Palaces. They along with other rescued houses and mosques would have been lost to the world if global efforts to save them had not been successful. Again we had a magical moment of being the only people inside these Forts as they opened in the morning. In my opinion, a trip to Pakistan would not be complete without going here.

From Hunza we drove to Attabad to begin our boat journey to Passu which was delightful.

The boat journey ended in Gulmit where we went to the Borit lake, Passu Glacier. we were able to do these places over two days whereas those in hurry did them in two sessions on one day.

We spent a night and day at the Duikar Hotel which was very beautiful, overlooking the Hunza valley—picture perfect.
From Hunza we drove back to scenic Naltar valley and on to Gilgit and then drove to Ghizer valley. The area did not feel at all “touristy”. In fact we only saw about 4 other westerners in our 2 days. In that way it is entirely unlike Skardu. There is also virtually nothing to buy and no one is selling anything to tourists (unlike Hunza). But that also means that tourist facilities are much more limited. We stayed at the PTDC Motel at Khalti lake which is situated at the beginning of the lake.
Our hotel in Khalti lake was quite new and very clean, but ultimately somewhat basic and no electricity at times.

What to say about Ghizer other than it is truly spectacular. In Ghizer we had a wonderful time including riding horses and camels. Great memories.
From Ghizer valley we drove the Highway to Phander. We enjoyed the landscape and getting a feel for tranquility which was quite different from the KKH section we saw the following day.

Our last day in Ghizer valley we had a tour of Gulagmoli for angling which we found totally fascinating, and retraced back our way to Gilgit. Having been to many fishing spots throughout the world, we were not expecting the extent and quality of trout fishing that is there. I am thankful that a friend encouraged us to include this in our itinerary and I encourage others to do so, too.
We spent a LOT of time driving. I knew this ahead of time, but I’m not sure I realized how much time it actually was and how difficult the roads would be. However, this was all endlessly interesting and we stopped every hour or two to take a walk.

pakguy

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Jun 27, 2012 10:32 PM
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This is an encouraging story hope that it will work as a guideline for rest of travellers who want to make trip to the northern areas of Pakistan.
Northern areas of pakistan is the backbone of the Pakistan tourism industry. From last couples of years Pakistan tourism was shaken by grim and grave security situation. We are hoping that soon tourists will back again after restoring the peace in Pakistan.

It's wonderful to see many tourists in Pakistan despite of harsh visa policy. We are hoping that change is close here.

Thanks once again for writing a your story.

pakguy

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Jun 27, 2012 10:33 PM
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This is an encouraging story hope that it will work as a guideline for rest of travellers who want to make trip to the northern areas of Pakistan.
Northern areas of pakistan is the backbone of the Pakistan tourism industry. From last couples of years Pakistan tourism was shaken by grim and grave security situation. We are hoping that soon tourists will back again after restoring the peace in Pakistan.

It's wonderful to see many tourists in Pakistan despite of harsh visa policy. We are hoping that change is close here.

Thanks once again for writing a your story.

Raki_Man

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Jun 27, 2012 11:14 PM
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Karimabad has the advantage that its the only place in Pak where you can buy a beer in the street!

k2_heights

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Jun 28, 2012 3:59 AM
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Thanks lionline for sharing detailed trip report with fellow travelers.
Am glade that you had great time in the mountains of Pakistan.

mozumbus

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Jun 28, 2012 4:31 AM
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Thanks lionliar for sharing those moments. It gave me a kind of nostalgia especially the way you described the stay at Kachura Lake - where we did our honeymoon. That was indeed a pinch yourself place. Absolutely out of the world!

On the other side, its a pity that I have not been to Ghizar yet, other than crossing through it in the NATCO bus. your post enhanced my appetite to do an exclusive trip of the Ghizar in the coming years..

Thanks again mate and you wish you more wonderful travels in the future!

WILLEMSPIE

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Jun 28, 2012 11:14 PM
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Anyway whatever you write 99.99 % of tourists won't go to Pakistan.
And the few adventurers that would like to go in Pakistan can't get a visa anymore. I've just met one yesterday, who wanted to cycle through Pakistan to India and could not. And that's the direct decision of the Pakistani authorities.

woodruffe

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Jun 28, 2012 11:15 PM
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This is a wonderful trip report, I'm living every sentence. will present it to my friends in the hope that it will persuade them to consider this trip. it's helpful to others.
However I know concern will be around the Kohistan part. So would you mind describing this in a bit more detail - How long did it take to pass, how hard going is the KKH, Who was the planner, if you could share. Thanks in advance

mozumbus

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Jun 29, 2012 12:29 AM
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I would like to share my observation about the Koshitan thing in light of my recent experience (Fairy Meadows: last month)

If you are referring to the 'marriage video' incident than there is a little to worry about. Why? 1) because it is an old incident and 2) it involves locals who are supposed to prevailing tribal system

And if you refer to the 'bus' incidents, it has also little to do directly with the travelers and more to do with the deep rooted sectarian rift.

In fact, if one only wants to do Gilgit-Rawalpindi, or vice versa, than only crossing through the KKH is not much a concern, even in the night. However, usually a police escort is provided while crossing the Kohistan part - from Harban to Dassu. I may not be that accurate but it is for sure that it starts past Chilas (going towards Rawalpindi) and the escort does not go all the time and instead the local police make a convoy.

For a traveler, like yourself and myself, it is more important to know the local customs which also include a certain level of protection for guests, especially when one plans to go deep into Kohistan (e.g. Fairy Meadows) rather than just crossing through.

Most of the customs are about gender and dressing. For men, it might be taken as an offense if they talk to local women. For women, it would be expected to dress modestly. Rest is not a big issue, imo...

What I observed, travelers usually adapt to these conditions quickly and are usually get more concerned about tiring commutation (see the last para of the OP), harsh weather conditions, lack of time to enjoy fully, etc.

so these are my two cents, hopefully it would not be too useless!

lionline

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Jul 5, 2012 6:20 PM
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Guys, thanks for all the wonderful comments. I am still traveling. Just got a chance to see the postings over the last few days. Let me give some responses while I have some time.
This is a wonderful forum which never lets you down.

WILLEMSPIE, There are many tourist around in skardu, Hunza and Gilgit, but not in Ghizer. I got my visa from a sponsorship letter of tour operator without any problem, (One of the reason that I signed up with them) so people without sponsorship might having troubles in getting visa and it may also depending upon the rating of sponsoring agency in official files.
woodruffe! As for the Kohistan part, thanks Mozumbus for great account of detail in traveling there. We didn't go through Kohistan as we flew in to Skardu and out from Gilgit.
Our planner was Vertical Explorers Tours and I would highly recommend them. can be reached at http://www.vepakistan.com/

out_door_loving

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Aug 5, 2012 11:04 PM
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Thanks for your report lionline. I am envious -- you were able to go in a number of places I can only dream of goning one day. There are many, many places to experience and it is all incredible. I do hope you got to see some of rustic side as well. It sounds like you had a wonderful time.

luperon

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Sep 8, 2012 6:30 AM
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Wonderful! You covered a lot of territory in a short amount of time. Do you plan to return to some places?Some of us are so addicted that we return to Asia annually. For fishing do one need a permit? what is the best time for fishing?

k2_heights

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Sep 10, 2012 6:16 AM
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Fishing permit is a 100 pkr for a day,The best time for fishing is from May to October (on Ghizer river).

luperon

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Oct 1, 2012 3:58 AM
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thanks a bunch, where to approach for permit?

balazs77

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Oct 2, 2012 1:15 PM
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Hello There,

I've been to North Pakistan three times (1999, 2001, 2011) and have to tell that it is one of the best areas to travel. I've met the most lovely people and have great memories from each trips. Nathia Gali, Shogran, Gilgit, Naltar, Astore, Bubin, Deosai NP, Phander and Shandur Pass, amazing beautiful places with great hospitality of the local people! I will travel there again this Friday for three weeks, can't wait to meet again my pakistani friends and enjoy the mountains.

Cheers,
B
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