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a young woman travelling on her own to Argentina via Brazil

Replies: 37 - Last Post: Jun 15, 2012 12:42 PM Last Post By: Sonisska

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Sonisska

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Jun 10, 2012 4:03 AM
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Dear ban_janti_return

yeah I know - I was going to do Poland this year - and my mum said - wel, there you really have to careful and see wht your are doing! But it is where half of my family lives so I don't tend to see the country in a too cautious way.

I am looking forward to going to Brazil and Argentina though and I guess it is going to be a very special trip!

All good to all travellers, hoping to meet some cool people ony my way exploring SA!
Sonia

ban_janti_return

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Jun 10, 2012 10:07 AM
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I only hope you know that both countries are much more expensive than back home...

Sonisska

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Jun 10, 2012 10:59 AM
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well, I know the trip will cost me....

But what can I do:-)

On the other hand, steaks in Argentina are cheaper than here here in Prague! The rest will be OK. I will start with diet before going so I am used to some unsual starving situations....

ban_janti_return

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Jun 10, 2012 5:14 PM
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I'm afraid you have old info about "cheap Argentina" is no longer relevant, steak are not any cheaper in Buenos Aires than Prague. Recent black market for currency makes country slightly cheaper if you play the game of chaining cash on black market, but still is far from cheap and more expensive than eg Poland or Czech.
Brazil is totally different story, is more expensive than most southern European countries like Spain, Greece, Portugal etc or even Germany in some aspects.
Just keep in mind that you've chosen the most expensive to visit in the continent and I hope you are prepared for it.
Otherwise you can still opt for visiting other, cheaper destinations or combining eg Argentina and Bolivia.

inaciomartinelli

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Jun 11, 2012 9:06 AM
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If it's any consolation... steaks in Brazil are cheaper and with much better quality than in Europe.
At least in supermarkets... because restaurants are very pricy nowadays.

ban_janti_return

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Jun 11, 2012 9:15 AM
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If it's any consolation... steaks in Brazil are cheaper and with much better quality than in Europe.

And where about in "Europe" would it be? Because it may be relevant eg to Norway, but is not relevant to eg UK.

inaciomartinelli

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Jun 11, 2012 9:47 AM
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I think it's relevant anywhere. due to the fact that Brazil's amount of cattle is the biggest in the world. We have more cows than people, so you can imagine how big it is, having in mind that Brazil's population is the 5th biggest in the world.

I lived in Spain and I'm sure the meat there is more expensive and with lower quality than ours. I went to London and had similar impression: though the quality was way better than Spain, the prices were bigger than in Brazil.

ban_janti_return

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Jun 11, 2012 10:48 AM
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I think it's relevant anywhere

Then you are wrong

due to the fact that Brazil's amount of cattle is the biggest in the world

You also produce a lot of beer and it's more expensive than in most European countries...follow the facts, not assumptions

London and had similar impression: though the quality was way better than Spain, the prices were bigger than in Brazil.

London is huge and I'm sure you didn't know the right places to buy, in UK you can great great Fillet Mignon for something close to 8-10 quid /kg, 5-6 for sirloin stake. Brazil is not cheap by any mean, and even the fact that you are one of the biggest meat producers in the world doesn't make your beef very cheap.

inaciomartinelli

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Jun 11, 2012 11:44 AM
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ban_janti_return

Let´s follow the facts then? Have you heard about Estadao or O Estado de São Paulo?
It´s one of the most influencial newspapers in Brazil, which makes it one of the most influential in South America. So, it´s a trust fount.

Here's the price of the Fillet Mignon and other types of meat in supermarkets of 8 big metropolis of the world. The prices are per kilo, in dollars. Those numbers are from the beginning of 2011:

http://blogs.estadao.com.br/radar-economico/2011/05/25/compare-o-preco-do-flie-mignon-em-8-metropoles-do-mundo/

Filé mignon

São Paulo 18,3
Buenos Aires 13,45
Montevidéu 17,38
Santiago 20,76
Cidade do México 23,13
Nova York 45,3
Londres 29,33
Paris 47,14

Alcatra

São Paulo 12,37
Buenos Aires 10,22
Montevidéu 12,25
Santiago 14,55
Cidade do México 9,97
Nova York 28,87
Londres 26,21
Paris 32,86

Contra filé sem osso

São Paulo 12,86
Buenos Aires 11,57
Montevidéu 12,78
Santiago 12,83
Cidade do México 10,23
Nova York 26,3
Londres 24,11
Paris 32,86

Acém / coxão duro

São Paulo 6,78
Buenos Aires 6,13
Montevidéu 7,17
Santiago 7,5
Cidade do México 4,86
Nova York 9,53
Londres 11,48
Paris 14,29

inaciomartinelli

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Jun 11, 2012 11:46 AM
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The meat in São Paulo is not cheaper then London... it's MUCH CHEAPER!!!!!!!!!!!

The only countries that can compete with our prices are others in South America, in places that have a history of excellent quality and price.

ban_janti_return

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Jun 11, 2012 11:58 AM
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File mignon goes for 5.8 GBP in current rate according to the date you've provided, it is indeed slightly cheaper. (I havn't seen this price in the shops in Rio, but what the hell, I was not really looking either, don't know about SP)
I wouldn't call 10 BRL "MUCH CHEAPER" difference though.

inaciomartinelli

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Jun 11, 2012 12:14 PM
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The prices are in dollar. The kilo of fillet mignon in São Paulo is 10 USD cheaper than in London, which was around 17 BRL in the date that it was posted.

I don't know about you but I consider it a huge difference, specially if you're going to buy it for big families such as mine.

ban_janti_return

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Jun 11, 2012 1:43 PM
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If the prices are in dollars then I was right and fillen mignong is cheaper in UK. I lived there for few years, you can believe me or the paper, I don't care. It goes for around 10 GBP and that's around $15. Premium quality can cost as high as 15 GBP, but not more than that.
You just need to know the good butcher.
You can also get meat much cheaper (as much as 50%) of the quoted prices in London or NY.
If $18 for Sao Paulo is true it's incredibly expensive taking into account all the beef you produce and once again proves my claim.
It goes for $5 in Bolivia.

inaciomartinelli

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Jun 11, 2012 2:14 PM
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Are you joking?

It´s all in the same coin, so you can compare the prices equally.

And if you can find better prices in London or anywhere else, you may take in consideration that a brazilian can manage to find better prices in São Paulo, Rio or other cities here.

There's no argue, it's cheaper and that's it.

Good luck eating meat in Bolivia!

ban_janti_return

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Jun 11, 2012 4:09 PM
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You are very arrogant little man, you know that? Bolivian beef (Fridosa) is actually world class, but whatever, just keep believing in what is convenient for you.
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