Flying out of Cambodia with a dog
Replies: 14 - Last Post: Jun 24, 2012 8:25 AM Last Post By: gisellecor
May 29, 2012 11:51 PM
Flying out of Cambodia with a dogHey all
I was wondering if anyone had the experience of flying out of Cambodia with a dog (a rescue). I was told I would need TWO full sets of vaccinations (rabies, parvo, hep, distemper, etc...) PLUS an export permit for Cambodia to allow me to leave with the dog. But the person telling me this was also the one selling me the vaccinations and would be "kind" enough to get me an export permit for $60 (a $20 charge for their time), sooooooooooooooooooooo..... yeah, I'd like a second opinion. And I can't find a straight answer anywhere.
The export permit thing I MAYBE believe, since the government can make a few bucks off that. If so, where would I go to get it and what do I need for it? Could I just get it at the airport on my way out or do I need to arrange it in advance?
Now, this whole 2 FULL sets of vaccinations thing I find really hard to believe.... to bring the dog into America I only need one rabies shot (which it has, as well as its first full set of vaccinations), and that Cambodia would require 2 full vaccinations to allow a dog to leave the country, when the gov won't make any money off that.... I'm skeptical.
(The dog would have to get its second set of vaccinations about a week early in order to have 2 sets to fly out with is why I don't want to do them here. Also, the price is the same as I would pay in the US so I'd rather just wait if possible.)
Plus, the person said I'd ALSO need to buy a health certificate from him because I have a layover in Incheon, even though the dog won't be leaving the airport. Man, this guy is really nice to be willing to sell me all these things!! Can anyone confirm that a dog with a layover in Incheon (or Bangkok, as I will possibly fly through there as well) requires a health certificate? I know some airlines require them to allow the animal on board, but mine (Korean Air) does not.
As a side note, I asked this question on the K440 forum and got a lot of anti-dog, vitriolic, dickish answers to what I consider an honest question. I want to take the dog, it affects no one else...... so please, helpful answers only. Also, I've heard all the "dog meat" jokes already, so save it unless it's a particularly funny or insightful one. ....which they never are.
Thank you in advance to anyone who can help
May 29, 2012 11:59 PM
May 30, 2012 3:24 AM
May 30, 2012 3:31 AM
May 30, 2012 6:30 AM
May 30, 2012 7:02 AM
5But your embassy might be able to tell you how to do it. The vet you saw is obviously out to make money. Surely you can't be the first American to want to take his dog back home?
May 30, 2012 12:25 PM
May 30, 2012 3:12 PM
May 30, 2012 4:28 PM
May 31, 2012 9:23 AM
9Have you researched what you will go through bringing the dog into the USA? I just checked the CDC site and there will be a quarantine period, but I could not find for how long. You have to pay for the quarantine space and reserve it ahead of time. A friend moving back to the USA after 6 years in France brought in a dog and told me it was quarantined for 6 months with no evidence of disease. He also told me that the vaccination requirements for entry to the USA were more strict than those to take the animal out of France. This was a few years ago and things may have changed, but the USA is generally pretty tough on animal import.
The CDC site also lists Cambodia as not a rabies free country (duh!) and therefore a full round of shots and certification are required. Rabies vaccinations are done in two or more rounds. This may be the second set of vaccinations mentioned by your friendly helper. Be sure you get the entry to the USA side of the information as well. Check the CDC site and it says to check with your embassy there Cambodia too.
Jun 1, 2012 10:57 AM
10We had a long discussion on the Laos site acouplamonths back on the question of exporting dogs but I think that was to China.
Jun 1, 2012 11:06 AM
Jun 2, 2012 6:51 AM
12Ok, Let me try and answer all these...... points..... in one go.
1. Firstly, why bring back a dog when $300 (a surprisingly accurate estimate, actually) could help impoverished Cambodians? Well, because I just spent the past 4 months volunteering as a teacher at a school for impoverished children in rural Cambodia, not only working for free but also paying all my own living expenses as well, a tab which runs up into the thousands after rent, food, and transportation. When you can say you've done the same, then you can judge me for spending $300 on a rescue dog to whom I've become attached. Until then, STFU. Sorry, but true.
2. Dog as a replacement child, spouse, existence validator etc. First off, let me say that these comments are at least not as tired as the dog meat ones, and I appreciate that. I also appreciate that for a lot of people in the Western world it is absolutely true that a dog is meant to fill a "hole" in a person's life. Back in the States I work professionally with animals, and I appreciate that they are just that: animals, not human substitutes.
However, I like this dog and it was a rescue, and I'm certainly not going to put a dog that I nursed back to health (it would have died had I not intervened) and fed like a pet out on the street with no home and no one to care for it. That is what would be truly cruel. Be cynical all you want about bringing the animal to America, but ditching a pet is inexcusable. It's not a human, but it's not an old t-shirt either. I'm responsible for this dog now, and I take that responsibility seriously. It's not my child or spouse, but that doesn't mean it deserves to be discarded like a piece of trash when I leave.
3. I don't know where some of you get your information, but there is no quarantine period in America for dogs or cats. The only requirement for importation of a dog is that it has a rabies vaccine and does not appear ill. In fact, if the dog doesn't have a rabies vaccine you can still bring it in and quarantine it in your own home (provided you sign a simple form saying you will get it vaccinated).
Here's the CDC's info on dog import: http://www.cdc.gov/animalimportation/dogs.html
So to the person who "just looked it up on the CDC website", you're either dreaming or looking at the wrong country. Or just plain illiterate, perhaps.
4. The info I was questioning in my first post was indeed from the person selling me vaccinations, health certificates, and the export permit. This vet is extremely highly regarded (probably because there really are no other "western vets" that are competition) (I'm talking about Agrovet, btw, for anyone in PP) and I found out that I need NO second round of vaccinations for export (the first complete round IS required, and already done), NO health certificate, and an export permit is FREE (the vet charges $60..... $40 for the permit and $20 because he has to travel so "far" to get the permit.... a couple km in reality). So all in all I saved about $130. Worth looking into I'd say.
I got my answer on the K440 forum from someone who suggested I call the Department of Animal Health and Production. I had to have a Khmer friend call, but I was able to get an official answer for my question.
And to everyone who is giving me so much flak for bring back a dog: I just don't get it. It doesn't affect you, and do you think some vitriolic message board post is going to change my mind? Quite frankly, I think it's awful to act like an animal is something you can just pick up and throw away at your convenience when you move. It's a responsibility and a commitment, no matter what country you're in. And not responsibility I take lightly.
To those of you who actually wanted to help, you have my sincere thanks.
That is all.
Jun 2, 2012 3:52 PM
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