Malmo - Oslo by bicycle
Replies: 11 - Last Post: Jun 15, 2012 7:11 AM Last Post By: Josh69
May 23, 2012 2:21 AM
Malmo - Oslo by bicycleHello!
I have planned trip from Malmo to Oslo by bicycle. This is my route: http://g.co/maps/8wa5g
1. I saw in google street view that on border of road is marking. What is it and why is it necessary?
2. Can I use E6 and E20 road for riding?
3. Does sweden police have requirements for bikers such as rear light, helmet, mirror or anything?
4. If I must avoid "E" roads then what quality of other road?
Maybe will you suggest me anything usefull for trip).
Thanks a lot!
Edited by: DmitRUR
May 23, 2012 3:47 AM
1That a road is marked "E" just means that it is part of the "European long distance road"-network.
1: have no idea of what you mean - upload a piture and make a link.
2: Some of these roads - like most of E6 (at least from Malmö till north of Uddevalla) are motorways/freeways where you can ABSOLUTELY not drive of bike.
3: Forget what the Swedish police think - wear helmet - just as you would never drive in a car withous belt and airbags. (if younger than 15 you must, not sure if it is all nowaday).
Front and rear lights are of course a must (legally) when it is dark.
4: You are familiar with google street view so easy to take a look at the other roads - typically there are the former main roads more or less following the freeways - but passing or going close to towns and villages. They are fine, but do not expect bilkelanes all over. Consider to find "cykelleden" - bike path through the most beautiful areas. Tourist offices and the good maps witll show them.
Here is a brochure of those in the county called Halland. http://databas.halland.se/userfiles/PDF/Cykel/Cykelbroschyren/HT_cykel_Svensk_1-16_low.pdf
May 23, 2012 6:36 AM
2Only children under 15 have to wear a cycle helmet in Sweden. It is not required at all in Norway, or any other nearby country.
You must have lights if you cycle in the dark, but there is no requirement to have them fitted if you are only cycling in the light - this is true in general throughout NW Europe.
I would stay well away from major roads as best you can, as it will not make for a pleasant experience, due to high rates of traffic. Look for minor roads and cycle routes, they are frequently well paved, and will much improve your cycling experience. Detailed maps are widely available for sale in countries in NW Europe, which will help you navigate through the minor road network.
(Bjoern, cyclists don't appreciate being lectured on wearing helmets. It is actually a much more complicated and balanced issue than wearing a seat-belt in a car, as you can see from the review here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws )
May 23, 2012 7:22 AM
3No one like to be lectured. Neither do I.
But I think lives should not be wasted due to stupdity, wanting "the air blowing in my hair" or "freedom to chose".
Some car drivers think belt and airbags are "complicated issues". Still you can do what you want on private land!
I know thta some studies shows little effect of the helmets - others show a big, but since they do not hurt - and work wonderful for motorcycles - then use them and lets develop better as safety belts have been increased manyfolds in efficiency with the auto-tensning mechanisms.
I am happy that belt and airbags are now the law (and has been for long) - and (as a cyclist) now sees that allowing you kids to drive without helmet seems to become punishble.
I fail to see that there are any fundamental difference in motycle+helmets bikes+helmets car+safety belt. I also fail to see that you should not steal because the police do not like it -a sad world if that is the way behavious is regulated.
May 23, 2012 8:51 AM
I think the marking on the road that you mean is just that, markings on the road, basically it means that this is where you're supposed to drive, the paving will go a little bit outside - sometimes (but not always) there will be room for a bike.
As you've already been told you need lights when biking in the dark, white forward and red back, also reflexes, white front, red back and yellow on sides, a working brake, AND you need a bell! Yep, it's compulsory, believe it or not.
If you're smart you'll wear a helmet (I have worked with the ambulance service so I always do).
Avoid major roads, it's a pain to bike on them, find the small, beautiful roads! The roads in your link are OK for biking, but maybe not the best, as they are sometimes narrow and also heavily used. When you get to Sweden you should get the 'green maps', ask in a bookstore, they will know!
Good luck with your trip!
May 23, 2012 10:41 AM
- they only address low speed accidents, whereas it is the high speed accidents that cause major trauma, and
- motorists erroneously think helmet-wearing cyclists are "safe", so take less care to avoid hitting them.
Like many people, you probably think that "there is a widely sold object called a cycle helmet, it must have been designed to address the major risks suffered by cyclists". But in fact cycle helmets fail to do that. If cycle helmets did indeed address the major risks suffered by cyclists, you would see a large and obvious reduction in head injury and death among populations of cyclists wearing them. But in fact, we cannot find clear evidence of that. As it says at Wikipedia:
"Effects on head injuries or deaths among cyclists
There is an active debate, with no scientific consensus; the two leading reviews have come to opposite conclusions. Robinson's review of cyclists and control groups in jurisdictions where helmet use increased by 40 % or more following compulsion concluded that "enforced helmet laws discourage cycling but produce no obvious response in percentage of head injuries". This study has been the subject of vigorous debate. A more recent review, by Macpherson and Spinks, includes two primary papers (neither of which meet the criteria for inclusion in Robinson's review) and concludes that "Bicycle helmet legislation appears to be effective in increasing helmet use and decreasing head injury rates in the populations for which it is implemented. However, there are very few high-quality evaluative studies that measure these outcomes, and none that reported data on an (sic) possible declines in bicycle use." The methods used by Macpherson and Spinks have been severely criticized."
Why are cycle helmets so ineffective? One important reason is that cycle helmets are only designed to absorb the energy of low speed impacts, a cyclist falling off a bike due his own error, not collisions with vehicles, which are the main cause of major trauma. Why don't cyclists wear helmets like motorcyclists that could absorb the energy of much larger impacts? That's because it is impractical, even dangerous, to wear such a helmet for cycling.
Another important reason is risk compensation. One study in London showed that motorists passed helmet wearing cyclists much closer than non-helmet wearing cyclists.
May 23, 2012 11:55 PM
6Many thanks to all!
1. >have no idea of what you mean - upload a piture and make a link
I meant white line on the left of road. I thought that its for bicycles.
2. It is a pity)
4. About take a look) I'm from Russia and if you look at road in as example small city Kirov http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CNT9eYII then you may see that its roads is not so bad. In real life it's terrible. And thank you for the information about bike-road.
Thanks for the advise and a clarification about laws.
Thank you for information about bell. I haven't it and will buy in this week) And for the 'green maps'.
Yes, I always wear a helmet)
Good luck you too.
May 24, 2012 6:34 AM
7I've once more question)
Can I buy food in a small village in Sweden?
Has village a grocery store?
May 24, 2012 8:43 AM
Jun 15, 2012 2:11 AM
Where can I buy a cheap tent and also I need a sleeping bag.
I want to buy it in Stockholm.
If you can please suggest addresses to me.
Jun 15, 2012 4:15 AM
10JULA Kungens Kurva
141 75 Kungens Kurva
see www.jula.se tent = tält sleeping bag = sovsäck
When you are out in the DIY-market/outler matket, cheap thing market areas in the suburbs you can also look to chains like Rusta, Öob and other. They will all have very cheap things (Quality following the price).
The other palces I mentiones all have fine homepages where you can locate shops and description of products.
You will not find equally cheap stuff in central city - soyou have to chose if you will spend ½-1 day going shopping (by public transport or by bike (faster)) out there or pay high steet prices (unless some come up with cheap places IN Stockholm).
These guys http://www.clasohlson.com Clas Ohlson have shops in Stockholm - smaller i Drottninggatan (sp?) - larger a bit out of town (Bromma is one) whith equally cheap stuff.
Jun 15, 2012 7:11 AM
Very few countries mandate bicycle helmets... but Australia is one. When mandatory bicycle helmets were introduced 20-ish years ago, bicycle use immediately plummeted. It has taken 20 years to get back to previous levels and when you consider the growth in population, it still is nowhere near previous levels. Australia is now one of the leading countries in the world for obesity. Bicycle hire schemes have been rolled out, but they are dismal failures because nobody is going to walk around with a bicycle helmet, to get a rent-a-bike for 1/2 hour.
As for comparison with motorcycle helmets; motorcycles travel a lot faster than bicycles.
For a comparison with car seat belts, there is no negative to wearing a seatbelt. It takes only seconds to fit, it's comfortable and it is permanently attached to the car so you don't have to carry it.
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