Controversial travel report from Singapore reporter about Golden Rock
Replies: 77 - Last Post: Apr 15, 2012 7:20 AM Last Post By: bun_cha
Apr 14, 2012 8:47 AM
Apr 14, 2012 8:47 AM
Dont want to offend you but please, dont spread these really misleading information.
There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese living in Myanmar for generations. They are locals and have local ID cards and Myanmar passports.
Or do you think former prime minster Ne Win (who was a Chinese) hasnt been a local??
Apr 14, 2012 8:55 AM
47So, sarrahjane, as you said you've got stateless people in Burma despite them being 4 or more generations along. That is still the fault of the British or is that the fault of the Burmese government who have continued to ignore them?
Meats, all I'm asking is for the British government to recognize this fact and perhaps be in a position to lobby the Myanmar government to recognize the Indian Myanmar people as citizens of Myanmar.
Apr 14, 2012 8:59 AM
Apr 14, 2012 8:59 AM
49Yes I can see that, thats why I asked.
As for using Burma I think many people do as they do not recognise the junta govt. It is not arrogance.
Apr 14, 2012 9:01 AM
Apr 14, 2012 9:11 AM
51So you stayed in Nyaungshwe aka backpacker central for a month and talked to 3 families and now you think you are an expert about Chinese people living in Myanmar? Thats amusing... See, these 3 families have probably been Chinese who went there in the last years (In the 1990s or 2000s maybe?) to invest and do business in a very attractive market. Thats fine but says very little about the well established Chinese ethnic group in Myanmar. Ne Win, Khin Nyunt, etc ... They play a huge role in Myanmar and have lived there usually for generations.
Regarding me, I stay in Myitkyina for months each year and Myitkyina is a town full of Chinese. Most are normal locals who have lived there for a long time and have a ID card etc and some are "new chinese" who have arrived "recently" like it is the case with the Chinese you met at Inle Lake.
For your information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Burma
"Burmese Chinese are well-represented in all levels of Burmese society and play a leading role in the Burmese commerce and business sector as well as public service. Several Burmese Chinese such as Khin Nyunt, Ne Win, and San Yu have been major figures in the Burmese political scene.
The Burmese Chinese are a well established middle class ethnic group and dominate the Burmese economy today. Moreover, the Burmese Chinese have a disproportionately large presence in Burmese higher education, high powered private sector white collar jobs, and the educated class in Burma.10"
Apr 14, 2012 9:17 AM
Apr 14, 2012 9:23 AM
53all have id cards and citizenships??? they were born in myanmar or burma ( whatever)...you mean all local chinese and indians are treated the same as local myanmar people???? it is perfectly normal and right they are treated differently.
i just said i write what i saw....and i don`t care whether they are given ID cards or citizenships or not...
Apr 14, 2012 9:24 AM
54And as soon as the British government 'lobby' as you request then people like you will be jumping up and down shouting how those evil Brits are trying to colonise the world again! Your hypocrisy really is something else!
Now, you're putting words in to my mouth. How can lobbying for recognition of the Indian Myanmar population be considered as colonization? If anything, it's recognition of a wrong that has been done in the past and a nice gesture to at least help those who have been hard done by, by no fault of their own. If there's any hypocrisy in this thread, it's you meats. You accused Martin of putting words in to your mouth, and yet you're doing exactly that with me here.
Apr 14, 2012 9:28 AM
55Recognition of a wrong that's been done in the past? What rubbish! This is the problem of the Burmese government and no one else. Why don't you go and lobby for it personally instead of wanting others to go and do it for you?
To further your staggering hypocrisy, why are you living in Australia? I'd have thought you'd have been busy returning the country to the Aboriginals, or are you quite happy living in the former British colony that is Australia?
Apr 14, 2012 9:36 AM
56I dont like that you distinguish between Indians, Chinese and "local" Myanmar people.
Chinese and Indians are locals... Many of them live there for generations, have local ID cards and Myanmar passports (if they can afford them).
As I have shown you even Ne Win, former prime minster, was a ethnic Chinese. Do you want to say that people like him who have been born and raised in Myanmar are not locals? I find that very weird... And by the way Ne Win wasnt the only ethnic Chinese who was prime minster of Myanmar.
Are they threated differently? The ones that recently arrived in the 90s and 2000s probably yes because they mostly arrived for money and making business. Most of them also arent well integrated into Myanmar society. The Myanmar Chinese that live there for generations on the other hand are well integrated into Myanmar society.
And regarding the Myanmar Indians, they are as local as any ethnic Bamar. Most of them arrived more then 60 years ago which means that the current generation is mostly born and raised in Myanmar.
Myanmar Indians and Myanmar Chinese are Myanmar. Myanmar is a nationality, not a ethnicity.
Indians and Chinese who were born and raised in Myanmar are just as Myanmar as the Bamar, Shan, Kachin, Mon, Kayin, Rakhine, etc
Apr 14, 2012 9:39 AM
57To further your staggering hypocrisy, why are you living in Australia?
On that note, meats, you've definitely lost the plot .. LOL! ...
Apr 14, 2012 9:42 AM
58Far from it, sarrahjane. You were saying that the British should never have been in Burma so are therefore indicating that they should've remained in Britain. As such, why are you in Australia, enjoying what a former British colony has to offer and you're not trying to return the country to the Aboriginals?
You're on a par with Ken Livingstone when it comes to hypocrisy.
Apr 14, 2012 9:53 AM
59Well, meats, I really had no say in why my parents migrated to Australia, but all I can say, is as an Asian migrant growing up in Australia learning the language, the culture and the politics that goes with it all, I wouldn't exactly call it "enjoyment" all the way. And as for the issue of the the Aborigines, well, I am very much sympathetic to their cause and appreciate very much the lengths at which our government here has provided support to them. It was only recently that the Rudd government officially and publicly apologized to the Aboriginal people which is a lot more than what I can say about your government over the issue we're discussing now. Ok, next insult please ... LOL !
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