Need Help with Europe Itinerary Aug-Nov 2012
Replies: 32 - Last Post: Jun 24, 2012 4:17 PM Last Post By: kristv
Feb 10, 2012 12:13 AM
15OP - -the only reason anywhere around England might be "impacted travel wise" would be people fleeing London to get away from the Olympics. In any case, they take place from the end of July to the very beginning of August, so I hardly think that's a consideration.
And to add what others on here have been saying -- you really don't need to plan every day in advance -- it's a 3-month trip, not 3 days. Give yourself time to stop and enjoy the places you want to see, and the freedom to leave somewhere you had planned if you don't like it.
Have you found out about visa requirements for Russia? I believe it's quite expensive in Russia for tourists and chances of finding cheap lodging if you don't speak the language are lower than if you do. I mention this because you talk of supermarket food and staying in hostels.
You can also prepare by comparing point to point train ticket or bus ticket prices with the cost of a Eurail pass. Longer distances can be covered by plane -- but here too you have to do some homework on sites like whichbudget, skyscanner, etc.
And finally -- tours never come out cheaper than doing it on your own. Tours are how travel agencies and tour companies make money. If you don't want the bother/adventure/trouble/interest (pick one) of doing it on your own, take a tour. Otherwise, do it yourself.
One of the pleasures of doing it yourself is the flexibility you get. Get a decent guidebook and on your way from one planned place to another planned place, you suddenly discover an interesting castle/ruin/waterfall that you didn't know about and choose to go there instead. And staying in hostels gives you contact with other people who might invite you to join them for a while or else know of an interesting place to go.
Feb 10, 2012 1:23 AM
16her counter was you get to see a lot in a short period of time reducing costs of getting around on your own
In terms of numbers of famous buildings and monuments you can take a photo of, she might even be right. Problem is, though, that tours force you to visit places and look at buildings that you may not have otherwise chosen to visit yourself - I've done a few day tours at times when I simply wasn't in the mood to arrange transportation myself (all of them outside Europe in countries with a less developed public transportation network and dirt cheap day tours), but each of these included a "local shopping experience" (= 30 minutes of being harassed by hawkers into buying something I don't want, don't need and aren't interested in), one sight that I wasn't really interested in (wow, the oldest tree in the country!) and one sight where I'd rather spent more time than the 15 minute photo stop I got.
If I were to spend 3-5K on a trip, I'd want to be damn sure that it's my trip, not the trip of a tour operator who decides that I have to spend half an hour at a souvenir shop and at night locks me up at hotels on the outskirts of town because downtown hotels don't have a parking for their tour bus. The only somewhat valid reason for taking a tour that I can think of, is convenience - it saves you from having to think about where to go next or where to eat, to get your bearings every time you arrive in a foreign city and call around for a place to stay, or to ask for directions in a place where hardly anyone speaks English (although, tiresome as it may sometimes be, all of that is to me also part of the fun of travel).
If you like that convenience more than anything else and you don't mind having no influence on the routing of your trip, there's nothing wrong by taking a tour. But before you take that decision, keep in mind that there are millions of others who done that before you, and I've never met anyone who regretted having gone on their own.
Planning a trip to a continent as packed with interesting sights as Europe does seem daunting at first and all the "inconveniences" mentioned above get tiresome every now and then during your trip, but on the other hand you'll recover quickly from that after a day off from sightseeing (do build in some slack and allow yourself to spend a day lazing in a park with a book or simply looking at how the locals enjoy being outside in good weather) and, more importantly, you miss out a lot of valuable experiences if you have everything organised for you.
As for your itinerary - 1 week in the Netherlands is good, but is there any reason why you picked Rotterdam in addition to Amsterdam? I personally like Rotterdam, and if you like your cities big, modern and with a slightly rough edge in parts, or if you like massive ports or art museums, then it's definitely worth a visit. OTOH, I would certainly include a few smaller towns (many can be visited on day trips from Amsterdam as the railway netwerk is pretty dense in the western half of the country) and a few off the beaten track places in the north, east or south.
Muiderslot (http://www.muiderslot.nl/english, not in Amsterdam but in Muiden by the way, despite what the homepage says) and Kasteel de Haar (http://www.kasteeldehaar.nl/english-summary/) are a few castles to consider.
Feb 11, 2012 2:48 AM
17First of all thank you so much everyone for all your help its invaluable. I Apologize if my questions seem ignorant or silly as many who have done this trek before I am daunted by the amount of information out there and don't know next steps.
If it where you planning a 3 month trip like this to many countries in Europe what are some logical steps you would take to come to a more cohesive plan. As things feel a bit scattered now.
I have a bunch of sites and tourist spots to see on a Google Map. Should I next list all the major cities around these spots, investigate the routes to get to them and rate how highly I want to see these locations. Would this help to cut down on inflexible or not needed locations.
Then what would be the next steps to plan a logical rail trip since all my locations are all over the place and get to a point I finally can look into booking eurail passes 3 months before with routes. Give me homework to do, I don't mind a bit of work if I know what to do.
Should I get the 15 day flexi pass for eurail or the 3 month one (The 3 month Eurail pass is very expensive). How do you determine if you should take a cheap flight or use the train?
I am currently reading all of Seat 61 for train info and looking at all these castles for routes how to get there. to cut down on castles I could make a list of their names, countries and make a post what people would cut out?
Thanks again for your help and guidance.
Feb 11, 2012 3:21 AM
18I can only repeat myself: Get the Thomas Cook Timetable and you`ll easily see how long it takes from A to B, how frequent are trains on a certain route, etc.
Forget the rail pass for a while! Just focus on planning your route, once you eastablished your route you could post it here and we could give advice or you can try to find out by yourself if a railpass is worth or not.
How do you determine if you should take a cheap flight or use the train?
What do you prefer?
If it`s a long distance and you don`t plan to see anything on the way and want to save time than fly. Eg. Norway - England, Sapin - Italy, Italy - Greece.
If I had 3 months I wouldn`t fly much or at all.
Feb 11, 2012 7:40 AM
19#17, I am sorry but there is a risk of your turning into an anal retentive planner. Relax.
There is need to plan every movement of a 3 month trip in advance. nor do you need to plan every hotel, evenry night, and every place you intend to visit.
You don;t have to do it quite that extreme- figure where you start, perhaps book a hostel the first 2 nights, and read your LP before you travel. perhaps book 1 or 2 longer flights/trains to get a god price.
E.g. if you were to start in London, and want to look around the UK and Ireland, just book a ticket on the Eurostar from London to Paris 3 weeks after your arrival, on a cheap travel date. Then decide where exactly in the UK/Ireland you want to visit when you are there. you can buy local trains on the spot, and generally you can find accommodation on the fly, or just call/email them a day before arrival. no need to plan every day now.
Feb 12, 2012 7:33 AM
20Very good advice from MTL there. Plan a framework and then book long flights or train journeys in advance, but leave the lesser journeys until you're there. You might want to spend an extra couple of days in one place you're particularly taken with, or you might meet a travelling companion who has a specific destination and change your plans to join them.
Check sleazyJet for ideas for any long journeys (their route map doesn't seem to be as useful as it used to be). I.e. maybe if you fly from Berlin to Athens and then work your way back North by train it might prove a better use of your time.
Having said that, don't automatically discount any long train journeys, as I had one of the best parts of my first Interrailing trip on the 38 hour journey from Vienna to Athens, meeting a group of similarly aged chaps from all over (and a couple of nice Danish girls)...
Feb 12, 2012 7:49 AM
Mar 9, 2012 6:23 PM
22I have included a rough itinerary (some things need to be weeded out) with a starting date of August 3rd where I arrive by the Trans Siberian in Moscow for tour. The finishing destination will be London UK sometime in November. Your help with routing and comments would be appreciated. Also I wonder if "some" of those castles are worth it, been checking tripadvisor which has mixed reviews. Please note the itinerary is not set in stone just things I would like to see, if I need to make changes I have the flexibility to do so (might have to add a few more days here and there with your help to do so).
1) Is there enough time in some of these locations on the itinerary?
2) Would it make most since (it gets a a bit crazy around Prauge to Croatia routing wise... I am not sure if it makes logical since, also don't know whatever to use train or plane for some connections):
arrive Moscow > fly to Saint Petersburg > fly to Oslo > train/regional train or fly? to Copenhagen > train to Colgne > train to Berlin > train to Warsaw > train to Prauge > train/regional train or fly? Budapest > train/regional train or fly? Vienna > train Salzburg > train Rust Germany > Swiss Pass rail Lausanne > Swiss Pass rail Lucere > Fly Munich > train/regional train or fly? Plitvice National Park Coratia > Bus Tour Eastern Europe Countries -- Istanbul > train/regional train or fly? Athens > fly Egypt > Fly Rome > train Pisa > train Cinque Terre > train Venice > train/regional train or fly? Seville/ Andulacea > train/regional train or fly? Barcelona > train/regional train or fly? Loire Valley > train Paris > train/regional train or fly? London
3) Should I get a Eurail 15 Day Select Pass for Amsterdam, Germany, Warsaw, Prauge, Vienna, Croatia, Italy, Spain, France ?
4) I use the regional trains for the day trips I have in the itinerary right?
START: August 3rd 2012
Moscow, Russia (3 days | Arrival Date: 08/03/2012 - Departure Date: 08/06/2012)
- City Tour
- Red Square
- Lenin's Mausoleum
- Garden of Fallen Monuments
- Tagansky Protected Command Point
- Saint Basil's Cathedral
- Krasnaya ploshchad
- Day Trip: Kuskovo Estate & Palace Museum
- Day Trip: Ostankino Palace
- Museum of Soviet Arcade Games (Optional)
- Victory Park (optional)
- Gorky Park (optional)
- the Nikulin circus on Tsvetnoi Bulvar (metro Tsvetnoi Bulvar), and the new circus near the University (optional)
- Japanese garden in Botanichesky Sad (optional)
- Patriarshi ponds area (optional)
- Kolomenskoye (optional)
- Bunker-42 (optional)
Saint Petersburg, Russia (3 days | Arrival Date: 08/06/2012 - Departure Date: 08/09/2012)
- City Tour
- Saint Isaac's Cathedral
- Church of the Savior Blood
- The Hermitage
- Peter and Paul's Fortress
- Summer Palace Peter the Great
- Day Trip: Peterhof Palace
- Day Trip: Winter Palace Russia
- Field of Mars (optional)
- Battleship Aurora (optional)
- Smolny Cathedral (optional)
- Norwegian air to Oslo Flight
Oslo, Norway (8 days | Arrival Date: 08/09/2012 - Departure Date: 08/16/2012)
- Visit Borther
- City Tour
- Fjord Safari en Flam
- Fjord Tours, Bergen, norway
- Flåm, Norway
- Jostedal glacier
- Geiranger Fjord Cruise, waterfalls and age-old mountains.
- Mo I Rana Svartisen Glacier, hike to Norway's second largest glacier
- Seige of Leningrad memorial
- Visit Frogner Park and the Vigeland sculptures
- Glacier hikes on the Nigardsbreen Glacier, Jostedal / Luster
- The Viking Ship Museum (Vikingskipshuset)
- Eu-Trans Norway (museum of transportation)
- Jotunheimen National Park
- Day Trip: TusenFryd Amusement Park, Vinterbro, Norway (optional)
Copenhagen, Denmark (3 days | Arrival Date: 08/16/2012 - Departure Date: 08/19/2012)
- City Tour by local guide Jan
- Canal Tour
- Trivolli Amusement Park (Full Day)
- The Botanical Gardens Copenhagen
- The Museum of National History
- Christianborg Palace (optional)
- Amalienborg Palace (optional)
- the Resistance Museum (optional)
- Day Trip: Fredensborg Palace, Denmark
Amsterdam, Netherlands (4 days | Arrival Date: 08/19 or 8/20/2012 - Departure Date: 08/25/2012)
- City Tour
- Day Trip: Rotterdam, visit friends
- Boat Tour
- Joy Ride Tours
- Museum of Medieval Torture Instruments
- bike the Dutch countryside & city
- the Resistance Museum
- the Royal Palace
- Sex museum (optional)
- Anne Frank House ambsterdam
- Erotic Museum (optional)
- Red Light District
- Hortus Botanicus (Botanical Garden) Amsterdam
- Day Trip: Keukenhof Gardens, tulips,etc... Lisse, Netherlands (optional)
- Day Trip: Efteling Amusement Park, Hertogenbosch, Netherlands (optional)
Cologne, Germany (4 days | Arrival Date: 08/ /2012 - Departure Date: 08/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Day Trip: Phantasialand Amusement Park (Brühl, Germany)
- Day Trip: Burg Eltz Castle, Münstermaifeld, Germany
- Day Trip: Heidelberg Castle, Heidelberg, Germany
Berlin, Germany (4 days | Arrival Date: 08/ /2012 - Departure Date: 08/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Boat Tour
- Gay museum
- Brandenburg Gate
- Reichstag (Parliament)
- Checkpiont Charlie
- Berlin Wall
- Potsdamer Platz Arkaden
- Prater Garden
- Berlin holocaust museum (optional)
- The Jewish Museum (optional)
- Woerlitzer Landscape Park berlin (Erholungspark Marzahn)
- Day Trip: Schloss Charlottenburg berlin UBan west, Charlottenburg, Altes Schloss (Optional)
- Day Trip: Potsdam, using subway, castles: Neues Palace, see Sony Center
Warsaw, Poland (1 day | Arrival Date: 08/ /2012 - Departure Date: 08/ /2012)
- Auschwitz & Krakow Salt Mine (Wieliczka Salt Mine)
Prauge, Czech Republic (3 days | Arrival Date: 08/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Charles bridge
- Prauge Castle
- Petrin Hill
- Prauge Gardens
- Žižkov Television Tower
- Prauge Museums
- Wallenstein Palace Gardens prauge
- Day Trip: Schloss Pillnitz, Castle, Dresden, Germany
- Day Trip: Residenzschloss, Castle, Dresden, Germany
- Day Trip: Bojnice Castle, Bojnice, Slovakia (Zamok Bijnice)
- City Tour
- Royal Palace
- Matthias Church
- Memento Park
- Heroes' Square
- Budavári palota
- Széchenyi Gyógyfürdo
- Széchenyi Lánchíd
- Great Market Hall
- Rudas Baths (optional -- best one?)
- Rácz Thermal Bath (optional -- best one?)
- House of Terror
- Széchenyi thermal bath (optional -- best one?)
- Fisherman's Bastion
Vienna, Austria (1 day | Arrival Date: 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Palace and Gardens Schönbrunn, Schönbrunner, Vienna
- Cathedral of Vienna
- Naschmarkt (market)
- Stiftsgymnasium Melk
- Hofburg Palace, Vienna
- Belvedere Palace, Vienna
- Liechtenstein Museum & Gardens, Vienna
- Haus Der Musik Museum (optional)
- Tandem Paragliding -See Austria from a totally different angle or white water rafting the tyrol (optional)
Salzburg, Austria (1 day | Arrival Date: 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Hohensalzburg Fortress, Castle, Salzburg, on the hill
- Hellbrunn palace water garden
- Mirabell Palace & gardens
Rust, Germany(4 days | 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012 )
- Day Trip: Europa Amusement Park, Rust Germany
- Day Trip: Château du Haut-Kœnigsbourg, Castle, Orschwiller, France
- Day Trip: Burg Hohenzollern Castle, Burg Hohenzollern, Deutschland
- Day Trip: Lichtenstein Castle, Lichtenstein, Germany
Lausanne, Switzerland, Lake Genva, couchsurf free room (2 Day | 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012)
- Swiss Pass Rail Pass discounted over Eurail prices offers free museums and attractions and Jungfrau discounts (get ticket counter isa student card)
- Blonay-Chamby Railroad
- Boat Ride lake Genva
- Lake Geneva and visit Chillon castle
Lucerne, Switzerland (3 days | Arrival Date: 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012)
- Day Trip: Jungfrau Cog Railway, Glacier Express
Day Trip: Thun Chastle, Jungfrau, Lake Thun
- Day Trip: Kapellbrücke Castle, Lucerne, Switzerland
Munich, Germany (4 days | Arrival Date: 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012)
- City Tour
- bike ride, get bike train stations
- Munich Spa
- Schloss Nymphenburg
- Biergarten Viktualienmarkt
- Deutsches Museum (science museum in park)
- Saint Peter's Church
- Nymphenburg, Castle, Munich, Germany
- Frauenkirche - Cathedral of Our Blessed Lady
- Marienplatz City Center
- Residenz Münich
- Englischer Garten
- Day Trip: Neuschwanstein Castle, Schwangau, Germany
Side Trip: Tegelberg Summer luge Roller Coaster, Schwangau, Germany, near Neuschwanstein Castle
Tegelberg mountain cable car
- Day Trip: Linderhof Castle, Ettal, Germany
Plitvice National Park, Croatia (2 days | 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012 )
- National Park
- Day Trip: Predjama Castle, Predjama, Slovenia
Ottom Treck Tour(7 Days | 09/ /2012 - Departure Date: 09/ /2012 )
- Split, Sarajevo, Belgrade, Sofia, Plovdiv, Istanbul (optional)
Istanbul, Turkey (3 days | Arrival Date: 10/ /2012 - Departure Date: 10/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Sultanahmet Mosque (Blue Mosque)
- Galata Whirling Dervish Hall of Sufi Mevlevi
- Topkapi Palace
- Hagia Sophia
- Hagia Sophia Mosque
- Yildiz Park
- Suleymaniye Hammam, Thermal Bath (optional -- best one?)
- Sultanahmet Cami, Thermal Bath (optional -- best one?)
- EYÜP SULTAN CAMII, Thermal Bath (optional -- best one?)
- Rüstem Pasha Mosque
- Spice Bazaar
- Gülhane Park
- Grand Bazaar
- Dolmabahçe Palace
- old section constananopal roman square hippadrome
- old town fishwitch
- aiasophia museum
Athens, Greece (3 days | Arrival Date: 10/ /2012 - Departure Date: 10/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Lycabettus Hill
- Temple of Olympian Zeus
- Acropolis Museum
- Stoa of Attalos
- Temple of Hephaestus
- national garden (optional)
- placa (optional)
- Parnitha National Park (optional)
- The National Garden of Athens (optional)
- free bike tour of the old area of Athens --saturday/ Sunday (optional)
Egypt (5 days |Arrival Date: 10/ /2012 - Departure Date: 10/ /2012 )
- Precinct of Amun-Re
- Luxor, Valley of the Kings, Colossos of Memnon
- Mohammed Mosque, Berket an Nasr, Qism El-Salam, Cairo, Egypt
- Cairo, Ismailia, Qasr an Nile, Cairo, Egyptian Museum, Sound and Light Show, Citadel, Alabaster Mosque, and Sultan Husan Mosque
- Giza: Guided tour of the Great Pyramids and Sphinx
- Aswan: View the Unfinished Obelisk and High Dam; Felucca sailing; See the Botanical Gardens
- Nile Cruise: View Kom Ombo, the temple of two gods
- Edfu: Visit Temple to Horus; Horse and Buggy ride
Rome, Italy (5 days | Arrival Date: 10/ /2012 - Departure Date: 10/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Vatican City
- Sistine Chapel
- St Peter's Basilica
- Trevi foutain
- Spanish steps
- Piazza Venezia
- Relais Spanish Steps
- Piazza Navona
- Roman Forum
- Roman ampateater
- Pompeii (optional)
- Day Trip: Borgo di Castel Gandolfo, Castle, Castel Gandolfo, Italy (optional)
- Day Trip: Villa d'Este, Castle (optional)
- Day Trip: Frascati Cathedral & Town, Frascati Roma, Italy (optional)
Pisa, Italy (Half Day | Arrival Date: 10/ /2012 - Departure Date: 10/ /2012)
- Leaning Tower
- Piazza San Paolo a Ripa d'Arno, Square on the Lungarno, river Arno, Pisa, Italy
Cinque Terre, Italy (4 days | Arrival Date: 10/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Walk between two cities
Venice, Italy (4 days | Arrival Date: 11/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012)
- City Tour
- Ride Gondola
- Rialto market venice
- Piazza San Marco
- Bridge of Sighs
- Dojo secret passage way tour venice
- Vaparetto bus tour
- Villa Pisani, Stra Venezia, Italy (optional)
- Day Trip: Garland, Amusement Park, Verona, Italy (optional)
Barcelona, Spain (3 days | Arrival Date: 11/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012)
- City Tour
- La Sagrada Familia
- Casa milar
- Gaudis park quell
- Hotel Gargallo Gótico,
- Casa Batlló
- Laboquera Barcelona food market
- Montjuïc barcelona Bus 55 or bus Parc de Montjuïc/funicular de Montjuïc, then 10min walk. Follow signs to Mirador de Montjuïc
- Day Trip: North Figures, Dali museum, cool stuff in town
Loire Valley, Tours, France (3 days | Arrival Date: 11/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012 )
- Day Trip: Château de Villandry, Villandry, France
- Day Trip: Chenonceau Castle, Chenonceaux, France
- Day Trip: Chambord Castle, Chambord, France
- Day Trip: Futuroscope Amusement park, Chasseneuil-du-Poitou, France
Paris, France (5 days | Arrival Date: 11/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012 )
- City Tour
- Arc De Triomphe
- Champs-Élysées, Paris, France
- Cathédrale Notre Dame
- Paris sewers
- Le Grand Palais
- Les Catacombes
- Musée d'Orsay
- Tuileries Garden (Gardens Near Eiffiel- Like Central Park)
- Eiffiel Tower
- The Jardin des Plantes, in the west of the city, not far from the Roland Garros tennis stadium (optional)
- Les Buttes de Chaumont (gardens), Rue Laumière, (Secret view Paris, Metro's Line 5, get off at Laumière, Climb up the hill around lake, view point.(optional).
- Musée du quai Branly gardens paris (optional)
- Day Trip: Fontainebleau, Castle, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
- Day Trip: Versailles, Castle, France
London, UK (5 days | Arrival Date: 11/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012 )
- City Tour
- Big Ben
- Thams Cruise
- Tower of London
- Beckingham Palace
- London Eye
- Borough Market
- Highgate cemetary
- Leicester Square Box Office
- Royal Botanic Gardens Kew
- Madame Tussauds Wax Museum
- Kensington Palace
- Churchill War Rooms | Imperial War Museums
- Hyde Park
- Houses of Parliament
- St James's Square
- London Museum
- The National Gallery, Museum of London, Natural History, Design, Tate Modern Museums (optional)
- Day Trip: Leeds Castle (optional)
- Day Trip: Brighton Pier & Royal Pavilion (optional)
- Day Trip: Hampton Court Palace (optional)
- Day Trip: Windsor Castle, Windsor, UK (optional)
- Day Trip: Oxford, UK (optional)
- Day Trip: Pembroke Castle (optional)
- Day Trip: Bath
Bath City Center
bizare bath bath
bath museum of costume
Boat/ Canal tour
Stonehenge tour, A344 Road, Amesbury, Wiltshire SP4 7DE
- Day Trip: Alton Towers Amusement Park, west of london, 7 Cross and Pillory Lane, Alton GU34 1HL (optional)
- Day Trip: thorpe-park, Amusement Park, Surrey
- Day Trip: Warwick Castle, North of London, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 4QU (optional)
- Day Trip: Blenheim Palace, & Gardens Oxfordshire, United Kingdom (Half a Day | optional)
Iceland Air Stop Over to NYC (4 days | Arrival Date: 11/ /2012 - Departure Date: 11/ /2012)
- City Tour (grey bus tour, or 4x4 jeep tours)
- modern Hallgrimskirkja, the church of Hallgrímur
- Day Trip: Gullfoss & Godafoss Waterfalls
- Day Trip: Seljalandsfoss & Skógarfoss Waterfall
- Day Trip: Hraunfossar Waterfall
- Day Tour: Dynjandi (Fjallfoss) Waterfall
- Blue Lagoon Thermal Baths
END: November 2012
Mar 10, 2012 12:22 AM
23Some remarks for this:
City Tour and Boat Tour - on both you will see automaticly
Potsdamer Platz Arkaden - is a shopping mile
East-Side-Gallery / The Wall is the same.
Berlin holocaust museum (optional)
The Jewish Museum (optional)
Woerlitzer Landscape Park berlin (Erholungspark Marzahn)
As you are in Berlin, why a day trip? Schloss Charlottenburg berlin UBan west, Charlottenburg,
Altes Schloss (Optional) What kind of Altes Schloss you will see?
Day Trip: Potsdam, using subway - you can use the S-Bahn, busses and ships but no underground, castles: Neues Palace,
This is on Potsdamer Plaz and not in the city of Potsdam: see Sony Center
Mar 10, 2012 12:34 AM
24My Paris comments disappeared into cyberspace so I'll try a shorter post.
Your Paris itinerary is heavy on gardens, but you will be there in November, so the chance of good weather is not high. Also, short daylight hours.
The Eiffel Tower is right beside the Musée du Quai Branly. Jardin des Tuileries is nothing like Central Park -- a smallish, very formal city park. Close to the Louvre.
Buttes Chaumont is nice, but hardly a "secret" view of Paris. Or else the thousands of Parisians who go there on a nice day know something no-one else does.
Jardin des Plantes is in the centre-east of Paris, not the west. And Roland Garros is just a stadium.
With 5 days in Paris, no point in aiming for day trips to both Versailles and Fontainebleau, unless you really like fancy castles.
But with your schedule, I have the feeling you will be completely exhausted and museumed- and castled-out by November.
You seem to have no plans for not doing anything in particular other than wandering around neighbourhoods with well-known monuments.
Mar 10, 2012 12:51 AM
Mar 10, 2012 1:07 AM
26regards : thanks for your help I will update that area
bjd: Thanks for your suggestions I will plan accordingly, " You seem to have no plans for not doing anything in particular other than wandering around neighborhoods with well-known monuments." I don't quite understand what this means please elaborate how you would do things differently?
MTL: I disagree with you, most tours weather its Contikki, Busabout are about experience but most of their itinerary is going to see things, do things, experience things. This is what I am trying to do why else spend so much on a vacation where I could relax at home. Naturally I will have coffee at a cafe, beer at a bar, and buy a baguette in a bakery this is given should I have put all that in a itinerary which to me is the part which takes planning to get to these items, the rest just happens. I am couch surfing a bit too so I will have local guides to show me around. Maybe we have different ways of traveling, I have organized a outdoor group for many years and it took major amount of this, I am a project manager its what I do for work. Yes things change, you should smell the roses, have room to do things on a whim... but I'm not one to leave home without a plan.
Mar 10, 2012 2:05 AM
27Istanbul: Hagia Sophia - Hagia Sophia Mosque
This is the same and if going up there to visite you will be on the 'old section constananopal roman square hippadrome' - what is today nothing more than a middle size place for busses and Taxies
If you make a city tour most of the places in your list are inside such a trip, most of the time a full day tour including lunch and a short time for the bazzars.
Mar 10, 2012 2:08 AM
28Vienna, Austria (1 day ) It is not possible to see in one day all your mentionned places in Vienna. Or you spend more time, or you skip this part.
Mar 10, 2012 2:16 AM
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