Itinerary or budget question? Please read this first before posting.
Replies: 117 - Last Post: Oct 13, 2013 10:30 PM Last Post By: MTL
Jan 21, 2012 11:24 PM
Jan 21, 2012 11:35 PM
Jan 21, 2012 11:53 PM
17dnbmonkey reminds me:. Not only are congratulations due MTL, but so are thanks. From newbies and regulars alike. No more will we be spending/wasting time repeating ourselves. Plus, newbies who are proffered a link to this sticky are less likely to take it as a "personal criticism" than they would a comparable personalized response. Thus making WE a happier and more peaceful branch. I can't wait for my first link to this thread!
Thanks also to Zabba for seeing the wisdom of making this a sticky. Now if we could only find that missing tourist in Greece....
Jan 22, 2012 5:31 AM
Is it possible to also add to your original post for posters to mention specific travel dates as possible? There are many excellent special events which could be recommended if the dates of travel were known. And of course, some places are very enjoyable in some seasons and not others. Then there are the more rural places that may be closed over the colder months of the year between October and April.
He's gone, or at least the sticky is.
Edited by: marcopolko
Jan 27, 2012 2:01 PM
Jan 31, 2012 12:57 AM
20It's a well written sticky and there's a few more things I'd add to it but I'm afraid of risking MTL's wrath...
I will say that whilst I agree with all the points on the sticky, I can understand the desire of some travelers particularly from North America, Australia or Japan to see as many places as possible in a limited time frame. For many people going to Europe is a major and expensive undertaking and one that doesn't happen very often, and if you know you'll probably only see Europe once every ten years or even just once in your lifetime, then the breakneck London-Paris-Rome in one week type of trip is understandable.
Jan 31, 2012 1:27 AM
21I agree that its 'understandable'...that doesn't mean that its better ;-)
The whole point surely is to give these travellers another side of the story.....the one they get from friends,family and travel agents is the 'see as much as possible in the shortest time possible'...
We can let them know that this is not the only possibility...that you can enjoy yourself more taking your time,stopping in fewer places,with a greater variety,and actually see more in the places you stay rather than more train carriages or departure lounges.
Then,of course,they can make their own decision.No doubt many will ignore this advice...maybe some will take it and discover that travel doesn't have to be ticking off places on a checklist but can be a really pleasurable experience.
Jan 31, 2012 4:13 PM
22For many people going to Europe is a major and expensive undertaking
get with the times, man - this is an old view. these days, Europe is cheap as (for those from Aus, at least).
(sorry, not totally a part of the sticky, but i can't believe people from Australia still think of Europe as expensive - wake up!!)
Jan 31, 2012 4:30 PM
23I can understand the desire of some travelers particularly from North America, Australia or Japan to see as many places as possible in a limited time frame. For many people going to Europe is a major and expensive undertaking and one that doesn't happen very often, and if you know you'll probably only see Europe once every ten years or even just once in your lifetime
Possibly just the tiniest bit patronising. The desire to see too much in too little time is by no means limited to this branch and by no means limited to North Americans, Japanese and Australians.
We can counsel, but if the punters wish to "do" Europe, Indochina, Australia or the USA in ten days then we certainly can't stop them. I'm prepared to bet that a lot of them actually like it that way.
Jan 31, 2012 4:33 PM
24I know quite a few people who've done such rushed tours (often with an escorted tour group) and enjoyed it. Not only Europe but also other places, such as US, South east Asia.
Feb 1, 2012 2:09 AM
25I'm sure there are lots of psople who've done the 'If its tuesday this must be Paris'type tour...and enjoyed them.
I'm also sure that 99% of them don't know any different.This is a typical trip for those who have little or no travel experience..
How many people have tried both the rushed package AND the other way and think the package was better?
Feb 1, 2012 2:49 AM
26And there are a lot coming down from the cruise asking at first: What language they speak here? Whatever the answer is it makes no difference as they speak only some kind of English. If you ask in what they are interested some answer if it is possible to see the king from Monaco (there is a princess so there must be a king), others ask to see cars....!!
Feb 1, 2012 3:40 AM
27#25 said "How many people have tried both the rushed package AND the other way and think the package was better? "
I've only done packaged trips as part of a cruise, but they do have advantages, especially if someone is on a whirlwind visit. You don't waste time looking for accommodation and reaching it, you are delivered to the door of your hotel or the sight visited; you get preferential treatment for entry; and it's possible to see and do things a person on there own can't. One reason that we booked a specific cruise that included St. Petersburg, Russia is that we could access the Hermitage on a day when it was officially closed. What a big difference between the day before when you almost couldn't move through the jam-packed museum with the next day when there were only two bus loads of tourists in the entire museum!!!!!
So, I think that a bus tour can be highly efficient in seeing a lot of places and you don't have to spend a lot of your valuable time trying to figure out how public transportation works, and sometimes incorrectly, something not very nice for a very short visit. I think an ideal vacation would combine such a tour for a week with your spending a week on your own in between the next tour. This way you would see a lot of things, and also have the time to enjoy a place at your leisure. That's what I have done on my favorite vacations, but substituting my driving for the bus.
We all have our favorite way of travel, and those whirlwind bus tours seem to meet many people's needs and they actually enjoy them, but whether it's because they don't know better is another matter.
Feb 1, 2012 4:09 AM
28How many people have tried both the rushed package AND the other way and think the package was better?
No. I once went with my school--tour group--and no it wasn't good! The only pleasant thing was getting some free exploration time, where I saw Lucerne, Innsbruck and navigated myself through Dubai and Zurich airports.
P.S.- In fact however I'm glad I took that trip because I now am confident that I can explore cities and airports myself.
Edited by: ansh_jain_97
Feb 1, 2012 5:09 AM
29People can travel whatever way they want- it's their money and their time.
However, when people post itineraries here, in 90% of the cases the responses are the same. This sticky is merely summarizing these responses, to make life a little easier.
Most of the people who post these itineraries simply don't know of any other way to travel. We tell them there are alternatives, and if they still want to rush, good for them.
Many of us have probably taken rushed trips in the past- I have. But most of us have come to realize that less is often more. I think people come here to get advice from those with more experience. So if they can avoid some of the mistakes that I made, that should be a good thing, right?
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