New Format LP Guides
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Feb 18, 2012 10:22 PM
60I have just posted my review of the new INDIA LP guidebook:
Such a big step in the wrong direction. They had a great formula for the guidebooks and totally messed it with the new format.
I really hope LP goes back to the old format, the new one is just too bad to be be used.
Mar 13, 2012 12:39 PM
61I am another long time user of LP. A regular traveller to India I went to waterstones today to get the new book and spent fiftenne minutes trying to convince myself it was LP I was looking at and not Rough Guide.
The manager of waterstones said that people are back ordering the old India book and the new format is simply not selling.
It's a real shame and I am yet another LP reader that has now been lost due to the ridiculous and frankly unfathomable new format.
RIP Lonely planet.
Mar 13, 2012 1:10 PM
62Granddaughter bought me some second-hand LP books published back in 1991 and 1994 and I must say the layout at the beginning is very easy to use and understand. While they don't have the brilliant colour photos of the later editions, these photos are real tourist photos - not fancied up with photoshop. And surprisingly, the maps are much better.
Mar 16, 2012 6:41 AM
63Simply hate it!
Less informational, looks like it's made for lazy travellers which doesn't want to read a complete paragraph. The papel quality is poor too. The budget hotels list is, at least in two books I'v used, is little. The sensation is that LP is moving from real travellers audience to sighseeing-inside-a-bus tourists.
The main issue in my opinion is that since LP started the new Discovery series (which are fancy, full of colored photos, etc), why to change the format which many travellers like and are used to?
I've bought two guides (Portugal and Canada) of the new editions and I'm seriously considering quitting using LP after more than 30 guides and 6 years using them in ALL my travels.
Mar 17, 2012 12:50 PM
64I been using LP guidebook for 20 years (150+ countries) and the new format is definitely a step in the wrong direction.
I find them difficult to navigate through and the maps do not provide enough detail. I continue to have to flip back and forth between pages to find a hotel, restaurant, sight, etc.
I decided to use the outdated Caribbean guidebook (2008) vs. the new guidebook (2011) on my upcoming trip.
If sales plummet, we will get old version back. If not, I guess we will have to get use to this format or go with a different company.
Mar 21, 2012 7:53 AM
I’m one of the publishers at Lonely Planet and I just wanted to let you know that we’ve been reading this thread with interest. As the new-look books have been out for a year now, we’re currently conducting a review of all the changes we made and we’re feeding all your comments into that review for consideration.
While some things are still being worked on, I can tell you the following:
• Maps: based on feedback from lots of different sources (including yours), we’re conducting a thorough review of our maps and we will be definitely be making some changes as a result.
• Order of places to stay and eat: likewise, we are conducting a thorough review of how we list sleeping and eating options.
• Paper: the paper we print our books on has not changed but we are no longer using gloss paper for pages with photos which means that these pages are different. Printing every page on the same type of paper allows us to use more images throughout the book rather than having to bunch them onto a few pages.
We introduced changes to the layout and design of our guides in order to help people find the information they are looking for more easily, but the content we know you look for in a Lonely Planet guide remains the same as ever. Authors research every recommendation personally and take pride in going out of their way to ensure they are including places which will help give travellers a memorable experience. We do make changes to individual titles from edition to edition, to respond to changing travel patterns or changing economic circumstances, but the core of our guides remains the same: hundreds of great recommendations to help make a fantastic trip.
Thank you for all your thoughts and insights on the new-look guides and please keep them coming.
Mar 31, 2012 8:42 AM
66I would to thank every LP writer that has contributed to the content of the books since the Wheeler's published the first LP guidebook in 1972.
These books, at times, were sort of a travel "Bible" and companion for me --- especially when I was traveling alone for months (sometimes years) at a time.
For the most part, the content rarely changes from one edition to another. A hotel or 2 may get added or deleted, etc.
LP is no longer LP and the new format is just the beginning. These books are being customized for tourists, not "travelers" and that is not going to change.
There is simply way more tourists than "travelers" and this company is no longer independent.
Question: What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions?
There is way more money is selling books to tourists vs."travelers".
For the true "traveler", it really makes no difference.
LP's biggest piece of advice and something they stressed in all their past guidebooks was to put the guidebook away and explore for yourself.
When I started traveling 20 years ago, I never used a guidebook for years and those are some of my fondest memories. I missed a lot of "sights", but I was forced to meet and talk w/ more people because I didn't have a guidebook to tell me "what to do, where to stay and eat, how much, etc."
I wish LP and all travelers out there all the best in the future.
Apr 7, 2012 10:18 AM
67The best way to send a message that budget travelers are indeed LP´s major customer base, and to express that we are unhappy with the recent changes, is simply to avoid buying any of the revised titles, and instead buy the previous edition´s, whether used or new. This is the feedback that will have the most impact with those making the decisions.
I certainly will do everything possible to avoid buying any more of the new editions.
To respond the publisher, it is absolutely untrue that the paper used in the books has remained the same. I don´t care what the color photos are printed on, but the text pages are much thinner now and harder to leaf through.
Apr 7, 2012 12:31 PM
Apr 7, 2012 2:54 PM
Apr 7, 2012 6:44 PM
A short update, following my original post in this topic a year ago at #2.
I've bought several other 'New Format' LP guidebooks over the last year - Mongolia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Queensland.
I'm still unhappy about many of the changes, but I will continue to buy Lonely Planet books, because I think they are still far better than any other guidebooks.
My main suggestions for improvements are:
-The current maps show the roads as very light grey against a white background. It is very hard to see some individual roads, particularly in very bright and dim light conditions, even as a shadow is cast over the page etc.
The previous editions showed the roads as white with a grey border against a grey background and were far easier to see.
-The maps are a slightly larger scale now and show fewer small roads and alley ways than in previous editions
-The icons for restaurants, sleeping, drinking etc now seem to be bigger and it is less distinct as to the exact location of these on the ground.
-There are less items on each map (obviously beacuse the scale is bigger and so are the icons)
The eating, drinking, sleeping and shopping icons are still there, but there no longer seems to be the Information and Transport locations.
I have always found the Information (Internet, Banks/ATMs and Post office locations) and Transport (Bus stations, Railway stations and Airline offices) to be just as useful to have on the map as anything else.
Leaving these two categories off the maps is a big mistake.
In previous editions this was always immediately following the map and photo pages at the beginning of the book. In the new editions the contents page is somewhere around page 40-50.
It almost seems like some sort of joke doesn't it!! Please just put the contents back at the beginning where its meant to be.
Eating and sleeping listings
Categorizing these by price (particulary sleeping) into Budget, Mid range, Top end etc. always worked so well in the past.
It is completely confusing now for all readers.
I much prefer to have the Chapter name printed across the top of the page, rather than down the side, as in the new editions. I realise that this change gives you an extra line or two of space at the top of the page, but I much prefer the old format.
Hopefully some of these suggestions can be taken on board
Apr 10, 2012 9:11 AM
Apr 11, 2012 2:45 AM
If you would like to have a say about the new format of the Lonely Planet guides, check out this thread. Comment is free.
Apr 11, 2012 12:31 PM
Apr 11, 2012 12:54 PM
74Yes, thanks for making the survey! I hope it will have some positive effect on the guides! Besides the maps (I agree that they are the most important elements to come back), I would be really happy to have the sorting-by-price method back at accommodations and eating! These two things would be absolutely enough for me to start buying LP's again! :)
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