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gingbuoy

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07-Apr-2007 07:17
Posts:  34

i-to-i experience

Hi all, for anyone thinking of doing a TEFL course and placement with i-to-i, here is a report on my experiences with them. I've put this on a couple of other branches, so apologies if you've seen it before. These are just my experiences - I don't promise you'll experience the same!

Well my experience with i-to-i has unfortunately finished premmaturely, and I'm afraid to say that I feel it was down to their ineptitude. I'll explain in more detail:

My girlfriend and I are going back to Uni in mid-August, having worked for the last year. We wanted to finish our working year with something fun, but without spending too much money. Also, we didn't want to commit to six or twelve months contracts (which is what most companies require), but something more in the 'summer holidays' sort of timespan. When we came accross i-to-i and their teaching placements, it seemed too good to be true; a teaching placement in Vietnam, a pretty good monthly salary (especially compared to living costs out there), a TEFL online qualification, accomodation sorted out and paid for, support in and out of country, a reimbursement on some of the cost of flights, and only a three month commitment. This was nothing short of perfect for our needs, and the £600 fee is very reasonable, I think, for what is promised. We had numerous conversations with i-to-i in January before booking, as we had quite specific needs that we wanted to be sure could be met: we needed to start in May so that we could be done by August to start Uni, we wanted to teach and live together (a preference, not a necessity), and we needed to have a definite confirmation of everything by April, as our employers required a month's notice on our resignations. I-to-i assured us all of that was no problem at all. Incidently, were it not for our very specific needs, we wouldn't have gone through a company at all, but would've have set up our whole trip by ourselves. However, with our time and monetry restrictions, we were attracted to the idea of knowing exactly what we'd pay, and almost exactly what we'd get.

At the same time we also did as much research on the internet as possible to find opinions on the company. General opinions came from people doing their gap years who did volunteer work for a few weeks (as well as teaching placements, i-to-i also offers 'meaningful travel experiences' - volunteering, basically). There weren't many reviews, some were ok, but most were bad. Looking closer at the reviews though led us to question the credibility of the reviewers - most were straight out of school, and looking for a trip where everything would be taken care of. Then, when something - usually something out of i-toi's control - went wrong the source of their disappointment was that i-to-i weren't able to make it right within days. For example, one girl got bitten by a rabid dog in Africa, and was outraged that her i-to-i in-country co-ordinator was not able to rush her straight to hospital (despite living in a completely different town). It seemed most bad reviews came from naive and inexperienced people, who had perhaps never travelled before, and who expected a month volunteering in a remote African village to go as swimmingly as a weekend trip to Paris. That was our impression anyway, and so whilst we kept the complaints in mind, we decided not to let it put us off. It was difficult to find any reviews on the teaching placement scheme. With the reassurances from i-to-i, as well as their ability to answer all of our very specific questions quite capably, we thought we'd take the plunge.

We were fully signed up and paid up, and had all our application materials in on February 21st, and received a confirmation e-mail the same day saying we'd be contacted by the in-country co-ordinator in Vietnam within 28 days, to arrange a telephone interview. We started our online TEFL course, and all was going well, all the while researching Vietnam, and getting more and more excited. 21 days came and went, and so we phoned up i-to-i to see if were still going to be contacted. We were getting a little worried that we only had a couple of weeks before we needed to get our resignation letters in. There was also only 6 weeks left now to go, plane tickets were getting more expensive as we waited longer to book, and we still had visas to get before then (the in country co-ordinator does half your application in-country, posts it to you, and you finish it off and go to the Vietnamese embassy - it's supposed to take two weeks from when you hand in the forms to the embassy). I-to-i again reassured us that there was still plenty of time to get everything done. We figured that since this was what the company did day in day out, they must know a thing or two, and so if they said everything was under control, we figured it must be, despite our nervousness.

So up came 28 days, and still no e-mail from Vietnam, and no phonecall. I'd called i-to-i a few times in the week (speaking to the same person every time - the person in charge of the teaching abroad scheme) to alert them to this. I spoke to them again on the 28 day deadline. I was told the in-country co-ordinator in Vietnam was on holiday in China. Not very helpful, and presumably something that must have been known a while before. If they knew our 28 day deadline fell within their holiday period, why not either pre-warn us, or just sort it out before their holiday? I finally got an e-mail three days later from Vietnam, asking when was convenient to call (I'd already told i-to-i when was convenient, as they had asked so that they could pass on the information to the Vietnamese office, so I don't know what happened there). I replied immediately (this was on Monday 26th MArch, in case anyone's losing track of the days). I had to have my resignation letter in by that Friday.

I-to-i were terrible at returning my calls. I'd phone repeatedly, leaving messages, from early in the morning (I have a desk job, so it was easy for me to keep calling). It would often get to 4 or 5pm, I'd have called several times and left several messages. I'd call one last time at the end of the day and finally get through to the co-ordinator who would always say she was just about to phone me back. I never heard anything more from the Vietnamese co-ordinator, despite phoning i-to-i every day that week. On Friday, with my resignation letter printed out and ready to hand in, I phoned i-to-i to ask what on earth I should do. Should I risk resigning without definitely having another job to go to come May, or should I just pull out of the program? Well, they didn't have to advise me in the end. The response I got was that they had spoken to the co-ordinator in Vietnam that morning, and there were no spaces left to teach in May, but I could start in June. They knew very well that I absolutely could not start in June, hence my frantic calling all the time to sort out the MAy placement, so it was just insulting and ignorant to even ask.

Apparently May in Vietnam is exam period, so there is no real need for teachers. I don't know why they didn't know this when I first applied. Or in any of the weeks they spoke to me after I had applied. Back in February I was told that there were 'loads of teaching jobs in May in Vietnam', but surely the exam period is the same every year, and surely they must have known this before last Friday. I tried to get answers, but I was rushed off the phone and told I'd receive a full refund (which, 7 days later I am still waiting for). To be honest I was too heart-broken and too shell-shocked to argue or press further for answers.

Now that I've accepted I'm not going, and gotten over the disappointment, I am just livid. I'm angry at the deplorable service I routinely received on the simplest of matters. I'm frustrated I wasted a month and a half working through an online course, researching Vietnam, and getting so excited about it. I'm frustrated that I was told literally at the last moment that I couldn't go. I annoyed that I now have only a month to arrange a new trip - not enough time to find and research another company and another project and/or country.

We're still going away for the summer, we're just going to backpack around SAE now. We won't be getting paid though, we won't be gaining a qualification, and we won't be getting the experience of teaching English abroad. And for all our troubles, all we get is a refund. I never once got an apology from the co-ordinator. No apologies for routinely failing to return my calls, and certainly no apology for completely failing in her job and her contractual obligation to me. No apology for wasting mine and my girlfriend's time for a month and a half, and no apology for ruining our summer plans at the last second.

So there is my side of the story, and my opinions, for anyone who is interested in them. Sadly I won't be able to report on the teaching abroad experience with them, obviously. I haven't named the teaching english co-ordinator or the Viatnamese in-country co-ordinator, but I will do so happily if anyone is planning on dealing with i-to-i and would like to know - just pm me.

On a side note, and possibly reflecting the ethics of i-to-i as a company: my close friend from Uni went with i-to-i on the teaching English placement to Honduras. He left in March. After four weeks however, he had to leave the placement. The school could not afford to pay his wages, but they valued his education more than that of their own native teachers, so they sacked some of their teachers so they could keep him on. They were gonig to sack more, but he found out about it all, and decided to leave as he felt it was morally wrong to stay (and I agree) - also, these teachers that were being sacked were also now his friends since he had been working with them. I can't comment on specifics, since I wasn't there of course, so this is very much secondhand information. I will vouch that the story is true of course, I just can't offer anymore details - I heard about this in an e-mail he wrote me. He's now picked up some bar work whilst he looks to find some teaching work of his own. The teachers that got sacked have been given their jobs back now that he's left. Again, this is just secondhand information. Perhaps this is more a reflection of the school than of i-to-i. Perhaps i-to-i will choose not to deal with this school anymore, or perhaps they will. I don't know, but I'm just offering this scrap of information for people to interpret or investigate further as they wish. Personally, I am through with i-to-i, so will not be looking into this story further. I never want to hear about i-to-i ever again!

Will

vooovooo

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07-Apr-2007 11:44
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So who is the company i-to-i??? I am in Canada and in my city I have found Globaltesol and Oxfordseminars as the 2 companies that offer the teach english overseas courses.

And personally I would rather not spend the money to take the course, so do you have any idea how easy it is to find a job teaching english once you are actually overseas??? I am looking primarily at Thailand, Laos and Vienam. Thanks.

winniep

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07-Apr-2007 20:13
Posts:  102

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Global TESOL /Oxford Seminar are no better than i to i. If you just want to teach EFL in the short term (repay loans), get your uni degree finished and then go to the country that you want to teach in. There are a lot of language schools in Asia, looking for young native English speakers with min/zero qualifications who are willing to work hard, enjoy the culture (a year or so) and then leave.

If you want to make this a long term thing, check out the CELTA, trinity, or a local community college in your area that offers TESOL certification.

lacereza

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08-Apr-2007 08:18
Posts:  257

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Thanks for the comments. i-to-i are strongly affiliated with STA travel and (I believe) LP. I always thought they were dodgy. Mind if I repost your story on other boards when questions about this co come up?

gingbuoy

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08-Apr-2007 12:31
Posts:  34

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Lacereza, go for it, by all means. I have seen i-to-i affiliated with, and advertsing on, loads of websites, which concerns me. When I saw them pretty much everywhere I looked, I assumed they must be a pretty big and reputable company. How wrong I was. I daresay there will be plenty of other people making similar assumptions, but I hope if enough people raise awareness then i-to-i will either actually become the reputable and ethical company we'd like them to be (highly unlikely, but perhaps I'm being cynical) or, people will stop using them, go and make their own opportunities abroad, and get more money direct to the people that need and deserve it.

Metempsychosis, I was indeed looking for a trip where everything would be taken care of, in terms of getting me out there, setting me up with a job, and getting me back in time for the start of term. If I might quote myself from my original thread:

'However, with our time and monetry restrictions, we were attracted to the idea of knowing exactly what we'd pay, and almost exactly what we'd get.'

Unfortunately, i-to-i couldn't even get me out there! What you quoted me on I probably should have worded differently - I meant to say 'a trip where nothing would ever go wrong', or something similar to that. I fully expected things to go wrong once I was out there, it's a developing country after all, and I feel I'm big and ugly enough to attempt to sort most things out without too many complaints. I meant to imply that some of the reviews I read were from people who expected to be shielded the whole time they were in a developing country, so that nothing would ever go wrong for them - they were then outraged when this didn't happen, and things did go wrong for them. They seemed like people with unrealistic expectations. Hope that makes a bit more sense.

winniep

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08-Apr-2007 23:18
Posts:  102

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If you want a short shint overseas, why don't you check out Transition Abroad on the web.

Danyl

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11-Apr-2007 02:58
Posts:  5

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Hi gingbuoy - My name's Dan and I work for i-to-i, I have seen this story regarding your experience with i-to-i on several of the blog spaces and branches of Lonely Planet, it is very disheartening to hear and I am really sorry that your experience of us is now so negative to the point you feel driven to share, especially since I know your experience is not reflective of the near 20,000 people that we have and will work with in 2006/7. I am grateful however that you have shared this since without feedback we will be far slower at making improvements.

There is no excusing of the poor communications from our offices since we 100% control that, the clear stress caused to you is not our intention nor is it acceptable which is why you have been rightly refunded (10 April) - for this I can only apologise and assure you that changes have and will be made to make sure that crucial calls are not left unheard. This is not a common problem with the thousands of travelers with i-to-i but clearly was the case for you.

Regarding our in-country coordinators in Vietnam - a colleague from our office left for Vietnam last week (4 April) due to the problems occurring out there, your story is indicative of several recent issues I am sad to say. Vietnam Paid Teaching is a brand new destination for us and appears to have had teething problems that were wholly unexpected and unusual, my colleague is now in the process of helping the Vietnamese team employ better processes to make sure communications happen when they need to and your experience is never repeated from this point forward. The problems in Vietnam have simply been down to the local team being unable to communicate efficiently.

Regarding your comment concerning Honduras, again we had problems with the some of the schools understanding how to work with companies like i-to-i - all issues were unique and have since been resolved.

I would like to close by stressing how hard our teams work to offer life-changing experiences to all who travel with us, we do not offer simple out-of-the-box 'products' since we work with many people in-country which brings challenges, especially in the early stages of destinations getting up to speed. We do not own projects and schools overseas so it can occasionally take longer to get things running as they should. The vast majority of our customers return happy and with amazing stories to tell, it's a real shame that the positive stories do not reach the blogging space in anything like the same way the very small number of negative ones do.

tish

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23-Apr-2007 10:40
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All you need to know about them is that no money they take for charity placements goes to the charity. 0 pence. Nothing. Do you think that's ethical?

Completely agreed. I did some investigating when I was in Bolivia (and will do so again when I go to South America in a few months). I discovered that i-to-i gave ZERO to the charities they were supposedly helping, they paid 5-10% of the program fee for accommodation and kept the rest of the thousands of dollars/pounds they got from the kiddies.

How ethical is it to earn thousands from each young kid when you're operating in countries where the average salary is less than $2 a day?
I don't know how you can sleep at night.

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Danyl

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29-Aug-2007 09:28
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Tish – It’s a shame that you got this impression while you were in Bolivia because the projects we work with benefit massively from the physical assistance of volunteers that go through. To clarify, we provide a support network for our customers to go through and this is what the placement fee covers. We do try to communicate really clearly our philosophy and how we work so please take a look at the following links to our website if you have any further questions - Our philosophy

pere_lachaisse

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29-Aug-2007 11:22
Posts:  202

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The best summer teaching jobs are @ summer camps and you get them by already being in town by late spring or early summer. The paperwork & pay are minimal as your stints vary from a week to 2 months. You'd be involved games, skits, field trips & your regular outdoor stuff.
You can do your own surfing to see who has such programs or your could contact the British Coucil in the places you're interested in to see which schools will have summer or winter camps. Their helfulnesswill be variable.
My great experiences were in Prague, the Biesczady mountains of south-east Poland & in the Mala Fatra mountains of central Slovakia. Furthermore I never met anyone who landed in a country for only a summer camp job.
Great to hear that you got a refund & that you were able to salvage your summer with a trip.
Good Luck next time & @ uni!

travoholic

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30-Aug-2007 07:42
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Danyl I think many of us would be interested to know exactly how the placement fees are broken down. There seems to be an growing movement against 'pay to volunteer' type setups and I think you would be doing well to give a bit more detail about where the fees go because I think people are losing trust in these programs.

Thanks,
Kirsty

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travoholic

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30-Aug-2007 07:44
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Oops just to clarify, I mean percentages. 'Security and safety' is a difficult thing to quantify. What percentage of the fee goes to each of the areas listed on your philosophy page? Thanks!

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tish

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30-Aug-2007 19:59
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Danyl - I have no qualms of Western kids helping others. My question is why do you have to charge THOUSANDS of pounds just for their introduction?

The Philosophy seems to be to take advantage of both sides - the ones needing help and the ones who are too afraid of organising of volunteer work themselves.

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tiemu

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02-Sep-2007 01:52
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"To clarify, we provide a support network for our customers".

To me that sums it up... You're a CUSTOMER, just as with any other BUSINESS. Your money is going to a RICH WESTERN BUSINESS who sends you somewhere to be around poor and underpriveleged people.

Please give ME your money... i'll hook you up somewhere in Asia no problem.

Get me out of here :P

grahamf

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17-Sep-2007 06:22
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I must say I've been unimpressed with i-to-i also, I recently paid for a placement in Brazil with them. They duely pointed me towards the forms I needed to fill out and told me to fill them out and return them. Then after a week they got back in touch informing me I needed to get the forms stamped by the consulate, notarised and then to send them direct to Brazil. Naturally I was annoyed as I had asked for this to be clarified before filling the forms out. In the long run i-to- have charged me a decent amount of money to give me the wrong information and have failed to make certain forms available in English. When I asked there employee what i-to-i where providing me she couldnt come up with one example and informed me if I wanted to research placements myself I should have done that....my point is of course that I am doing all the arrangements and that i-to-i is just a middle man who are complicating things. One thing i-toi has done is give me the postal address of the co-ordinator in Brazil, and informed me to direct questions his way, which is a step in the right direction as nobody in there Irish office seems to know a thing about the procedure. Its a nice scam they have going, charging for forms and then not doing any work towards getting it sorted, leaving all the administration to the customer and the organisation in Brazil

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