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28-Nov-2006 01:18
by: willlou

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Africa by Overland Truck

I had heard several stories from travelers about the overland trucks that do the route from South Africa up to Kenya, and most of them were bad. They seemed to have spent their trip with people who spend most of the time drunk or were just noisy and boring, with the rest of the passengers working out who was going to sleep with whom. Don’t do it they said - you’ll hate it. When it comes to traveling in Africa there’s no doubt the Overland trucks serve a purpose, making it fairly straightforward to travel up through the continent without the hassles of using local transport. The reason I signed up for a trip was because it allowed to me to see countries like Namibia and Botswana which are difficult and expensive to travel in independently. The tips below are based on my experiences on a truck journey from Cape Town to Victoria Falls which I did with the African Travel Company which took about three weeks, and are aimed at people thinking of signing up for a trip and don’t know what to expect.

Firstly the people, probably the most important factor and the one you can’t do much about. I was very fortunate to travel with a great group of people which made the experience very enjoyable. It helped that the average age was late twenties for most of the group although the range was from 18 to 68; so most of the people had jobs and some life experiences to talk about. My group was also very Northern European mainly British/Irish or German with a few Belgians and Swiss, which meant that most of us were pretty much on the same wavelength. For quite a few of the Germans this trip was their three week annual holiday. There are a few factors that push some groups towards certain overland companies. The companies that are based in London seem to have an overwhelming number of Australians and New Zealanders on them, this is because ‘doing Africa’ is quite a popular thing to do if you’ve just spent two years in London and you’re on your way home. Some companies provide German or Spanish translators which of course encourages those nationalities to sign up. At the end of the day there’s not a lot you can do about your companions and there is always someone who does not get on with anybody. I saw one truck which had ten eighteen year old girls on it; it would be a long three weeks if you didn’t fit into a group like that.

The Crew. I had three crew on my truck, the tour leader an Australian woman, and a driver and cook who were Kenyan. Its worth checking the number of crew before you sign up, if your truck only has two crew it means there’s no cook, so the passengers will being doing the cooking, so a lot more extra work for everyone. The tour leader has been on the road continually for eighteen months, starting in the Congo (to see the Gorillas) then heading all the way back to Cape Town with a two day turn around there before starting the trip back up the continent again. She lived pretty much on the truck and was paid at local rates. If you ever thought the job had an element of glamour, talking to her quickly dispelled that notion. The Kenyans were very friendly and considered they had good jobs.

The truck was large, rather like a coach inside with enough legroom and space to move around. All the equipment was stored underneath. Valuables like money belts were stored in a communal safe on board and the tour leader slept on the truck most nights. There was also a safe for cameras and gadgets. Don’t expect frills like Air Con or toilets on board; the usual procedure was for men to head off into the bush in one direction and the girls in another. One cause of friction was that the tour leader insisted that everyone sat somewhere different each day, so the people at the front of the bus moved to the back of the bus the next day. Of course there were disputes about which seats in the middle were in the front or back, or someone didn’t move. It also meant that you were usually sitting with the same people the whole time from day one.

Traveling overland usually means camping. All the companies seem to use the same tents which are large heavy duty Army style things made in South Africa. Most people have to share a tent and you had to put it up and down each day yourself. It seems to be standard for all companies that you provide your own sleeping bag and mat/mattress. The facilities on the campsites varied, from one night wild camping with just a drop toilet to some very smart places with hot water and bars. In many places you have the chance to upgrade to a room, which are usually poor value for money but which may look attractive if you tent has been packed soaking wet. It really helps if you like camping and to have done some before, for me three weeks was about my tolerant level, I was looking for to a bed and a roof after that. All the jobs on the truck/camp were done on a rota system, with each group alternating each day including a day off each week. The jobs were usually fairly easy liking sweeping out the truck to helping with the food preparation for meals. The most disliked job was ‘pot wash’, cleaning the cook’s pots each evening, often a real challenge when you only have a bowl of cold water. Everyone washed their own plates and as there are no cloths to dry them for hygiene reasons, everyone ‘flaps’ their plates dry which looks pretty bizarre when you first see people doing it. Our tour leader was also very hot on hygiene; everyone had to wash their hands in disinfected water before meals and after going to the toilet, Detol, as someone commented - the smell of Africa.

The food on my trip was good, filling and plenty of it. It was nearly always some form of meat and we quite often had steak. We had one Vegetarian on the truck who was often given fish so if you don’t eat that either you’d better check at the start. Some of the food was a little bland as our cook didn’t seem to use any flavorings at all, not even salt. Lunch seems to be standard on all trucks, salad, bread and usually cheese and cold meats. This is the same everyday. Breakfast was cereals and toast (grilled on a brazier) and sometimes eggs and baked beans. On a couple of occasions we had canned spaghetti, much to the bemusement of the Germans.

The itinerary. It pays to look at this very carefully before you sign up. All the companies offer optional ‘extras’, tours into parks for example or guided walks. The main ‘extra’ on my tour was a three day trip into the Okavanga Delta. On the itinerary I received the delta trip was listed as part of the trip but it is in fact an extra $130 on top of the tour cost. What they don’t tell you is that if you don’t take up the ‘option’ you have to sit around in a campsite for three days with nothing to do. One guy didn’t take up the option and had to do just that. You may be quoted a price for an overland tour that looks really good but in fact all the interesting activities are extras. On my tour we also spent three days in Swakopmund so that people could do activities. Some of the people on holiday did a lot of these but the rest of us had a long time sitting around the town. Another feature of overland trips is the early start, on about a third of the days wake up was at 0430 so that we could be off at 0600. Very often this was so that we could get to places so that people could do activities in the afternoon but often we arrived at places at lunchtime where there was nothing to do. Some days could easily have been combined just by driving a few extra hours the previous day. Africa is big, on a couple of days we drove for up to six hours so pack plenty of paperbacks.

Overall I enjoyed my trip and it was good value for money especially if you are short of time. To see the Parks and countries that I did independently would have involved hiring a 4 X 4 and camping equipment with living costs on top. On the truck someone else did the cooking and driving and sorted out the problems. To anyone thinking about a overland trip I would suggest going through the itinerary very carefully and try and get some recommendations from other travelers. Once you’re on the truck, it’s difficult to get off.

http://journals.worldnomads.com/will/default.aspx

Posted
28-Nov-2006 01:47
by: onlyMark

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Not often you get first hand detailed reports, so thanks for your time and effort. It makes good reading and covers some interesting points.

Posted
28-Nov-2006 02:04
by: stokeygirl

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Thanks for the detailed report. Just a few comments, as I have done this exact same trip with ATC, in the opposite direction, and I have also done another trip with them in Kenya and Uganda.

I don't think you were particularly "fortunate" with your group- both trips I've been on with ATC have been about the age group you describe and have not been of the "boozing 24-7" variety. There are some companies which attract that sort of crowd, usually the more budget operators. Like you, I saw a few trucks just full of 18-21 pissheads!

The nationality make-up of the group for ATC is not typically European. The Vic Falls to Cape Town trip I did was mainly Aus and NZ. I think the south bound trips tend to have a more Aus/NZ bias because it's popular to do the overland thing on the way back from WHV in London. I don't think it's to do with companies being based in London. The other trip I did with ATC was about 50-50 Europeans and non-Europeans.

Vegetarians need not worry- the food is cooked to cater for the group. I have been on trips with people with dairy intolerance, gluten intolerance and proper vegetarians (ie don't eat fish) and it's amazing what the cooks on these overlands can cope with. But this is one reason to pick a company that has a dedicated cook, rather than some more budget operators where the group does all the cooking.

Posted
28-Nov-2006 06:35
by: Zarahustra

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Good report, very well written. Thanks!

"They misunderestimate me" - George W. Bush

Posted
28-Nov-2006 12:53
by: Captain Cook

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when you visited the game parks, were you re-deployed to smaller 4wd's, or in the same overland truck. If the latter, do you feel that you missed much?

Posted
28-Nov-2006 13:29
by: shitforbrains

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Great report willou thanks, while we're on the subject: click here for my positive take on overland company Africa-in-Focus

Posted
28-Nov-2006 22:45
by: Kelstarama

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Great to read a detailed report. I did a 6 week trip with ATC from Nairobi to Cape Town in 2004. The range of ages in our group was similar to the OP and we had about 10 different nationalities on the truck. It was a really good group and most of us have stayed in contact.

I just received an email today from the oldest member of our group on that trip who is now 69 (I think!). She is currently in Cairo on a 6 month overland trip from Istanbul to Cape Town - how cool is that??

Posted
29-Nov-2006 02:13
by: stokeygirl

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#4- that usually depends on the rules of specific parks and the road conditions in the parks. If I remember correctly, we did Chobe in 4X4s but Etosha in the truck. Those were the only game parks in the Vic Falls to Cape Town trip (apart from the delta which is walking and mokoros, obviously). I found the truck fine for game viewing- they're very open and you're quite high up.

Posted
29-Nov-2006 10:19
by: willlou

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Registered:  19/05/04

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Firstly, thanks for the kind comments.

Stokeygirl is right about the game viewing in Etosha, we were in the ATC truck which was great as it’s higher than most vehicles. In Chobe we went into the park in a tired seating 4 X 4.

Today I arrived in Dar es Salaam in Tanzania and by coincidence saw an ATC truck stopped at lights which just happened to be the truck I’d been traveling on. I jumped on board and had a reunion with my friends who continued the journey. Small World.

Will

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Posted
29-Nov-2006 18:32
by: Kelstarama

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How bizarre!! You didn't happen to have Bigboy and Grace as your driver and cook did you?

Posted
07-Dec-2006 02:15
by: willlou

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My driver was called Stevie and the cook was Hasban.

As I've mentioned I caught up with the ATC truck I’d been traveling on when I saw it stopped at lights in Dar es Salaam; I then spent a day with everyone at a beach on Zanzibar. What was surprising was the contrast to the experience I had had and the current moral of the passengers and crew, which was very low indeed. Lots of people did not seem to be enjoying themselves at all and were planning to leave the trip early. This had been bought to a head by a group of people the previous evening when there was a large row which ended with the tour leader saying she wanted to resign.

There seemed to be various reasons for this. Most of the passengers who left Victoria Falls consisted of small groups who had got there on other trucks. They had made their own friendships (mainly based on nationality) and a communal spirit was very lacking. The consequences of this was that jobs like taking down the camp each day took longer and this had a knock on effect, on one day the truck didn’t reach camp until nightfall which meant everything had to be put up in the dark. On my trip everyone started together in Cape Town. Anyone considering joining a tour at the mid point should bare this potential problem in mind.

Another factor was lack of clarity in the itinerary, which as I’ve already mentioned should be studied carefully. Many people were not expecting the long drives that are part of traveling in Africa. The itineraries usually say, ‘Today we shall travel from A to B’, what they should be saying is, ‘Today we will be spending seven hours driving on crap roads to get from A to B’. This may deter a few people from signing up but at least those that do will have no illusions about what to expect. What should be obvious from the current itinerary is that you are on a tour and touring across a very big continent and this means pretty much constant movement. This is one aspect I myself found quite wearying (like being on exercise in the Army) so think carefully before signing up for the full seven week experience.

Traveling for seven hours on crap roads and it’s pouring with rain the whole time makes the experience even more dreary. It may sound obvious but if you are going to sign up for a three week camping trip – anywhere, it helps to know in advance what the weathers going to be like. As the wet season has now started in East Africa there was a lot of having to take down and put up tents in the rain. In those kinds of conditions everything becomes damp eventually – which is depressing.

The group also suffered from a disproportional number of injuries, none of them serious but this led to further delays as people were taken to hospitals for treatment.

There seemed to be some very unrealistic expectations made of the tour leader who to some people should be everything from social role model to surrogate mother. A clearer defining of the tour leaders’ job and role at the beginning of the trip would probably help all concerned. For example, they cannot normally deviate from the route or stay at campsites not designated by the company, although some people expected this. There was also some bad feeling as she did not accompany the injured people to the hospital, is that part of the role?

I would imagine that none of these problems are new as ATC makes each passenger sign an Indemnity form so that everyone is aware of what they are letting themselves in for. This form is very useful in spelling out exactly what to expect and it say amongst other things – there are long driving days, roads are very rugged and tough on vehicles and clients, you will be living in tents, the cook may not always be able to buy food and that the tours are frequented by young people. The core of it is summed up in one sentence, “If you approach your trip with a spirit of adventure and a positive attitude, you and your fellow traveler’s will get the most out of the journey”. Obviously, some people either did not read or understand it or they just left their positive attitude at home.

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Posted
07-Dec-2006 02:56
by: onlyMark

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willou - A number of times on here there have been posts from the ones who seem to have "unrealistic expectations". It makes a refreshing change to read common sense. I can only think of one other who posted something along the lines of what you have.
Maybe it is down to your experience and age (though you are a little younger than me, so I don't mean "old").

I have been accused of defending all overland companies no matter what the complaint, but it is not so. There are bad experiences out there and the companies can be to blame, but not always. The age, experience, expectations and attitude of the group member are a major factor in determining whether they have a good time or complain about everything.
For example - they can believe it is not unreasonable to expect the whole trip to divert to somewhere for a day or two when there is often only the one or two who wish to do so.

In Egypt one time I had a group of 17 and we pulled up into the desert to rough camp. One girl said she wanted to stay at a hotel, the nearest one being 2 hours drive away back the way we had come. I told her that as a favour, if all the group wanted to do so, but at their own expense as they'd paid for a camping trip, I will take them back. But, I said, you have to ask every last passenger, and if even one says no, then we will stay here under the stars.
Half an hour later she came back to me and said that only her and her mate wanted to go back, would we still take her, and then return the next morning to pick her up.
A big fat No I said.
She wrote a complaint letter to my company about me saying I was "inflexible" (amongst other things).
The icing on the cake was that she'd actually won the trip in a competition, she'd not paid a single penny for it and she complained about every last thing.

The last two paragraphs of yours are priceless, I salute you.

Posted
07-Dec-2006 03:15
by: stokeygirl

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I've been on quite a few overland trips and haven't had anyone quite as bad as that on a trip but there are always a couple of right whingers or really annoying people. I tend to find it's quite a bonding experience for everyone else to have someone to bitch about. I often wonder if it's a law of group dynamics that there will always be someone the rest of the group bitch about, even if you had a truck full of Mother Teresas.

The worst I've had was this couple who whinged that they couldn't afford to go into the Delta, because the brochure said it would be $95 and it turned out to be $140. This was because the company used to go in from the Caprivi strip, which was cheaper, but had become unsafe due to a truck being shot at by some dodgy types from Angola. Anyway, the couple were trying to say we should go into the Caprivi strip anyway, just so they could save some cash.

Oh and I've also had some "competition winners" on trips. Again, the trip turned out to not be what they expected, but in this case the women really took it in their stride, and had quite a sense of humour about it.

Posted
16-Feb-2007 05:00
by: rujo

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I have a detailed and negative report on ATC and am keen to warn overlanders of what happened on my trip. My report is on this website at "Which Overland Co? NOT Africa Travel Co"

Posted
21-Feb-2007 10:46
by: Thomo1954

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To all,

My name is Graeme Thomson; I am the Founder & Managing Director of the Africa Travel Co.

I would like to thank those of you that have come forward and had your say, with both positive and adverse comment.

To Ruth & Gavin Ayliffe,

Firstly let me say that I am sorry that you obviously haven’t enjoyed your trip with us in Africa.

It is my understanding that you started your trip in Victoria Falls, Zimbabwe and were booked to do a 35 day trip northbound via Nairobi that included the last 2 weeks traveling through Kenya and Uganda. Part of this trip included the option of trekking the gorillas.

I have been involved with organizing & coordinating trips within Africa for over 25 years and have never had a complaint mentioning that we are unethical, dishonest and incompetent in all those years. Yes from time to time we do get some complaints, but they are very few. Many are from clients whose expectations far exceed what is achievable on this continent.
We have carried over 6,000 thousand clients to see the gorillas in the past 13 years and in only one instance in 1994 did we not succeed in giving our clients the option to view the gorillas.
We have grown from one solitary vehicle to operating 45 overland trucks in East & Southern Africa.

We have established ourselves as one of the few overland companies that have representative offices and workshops in the major joining points in Africa.
We have carried well over 30,000 clients in the past 13 years under our own banner and through many very reputable companies that either brochure our product or charter our vehicles and crew and run their own programs.
You don’t achieve that by being “unethical, dishonest or incompetent”.

Now……down to the issues that you have raised.

In relation to the start of your trip, we as a company were not aware that you were joining the trip at the border point in Zambia. This would appear to be a miscommunication between your agent and ourselves.
For that I apologize.

Leaking tents - Yes you are quite right, some of the tents did leak. The tents we buy are made in South Africa and although they are of very good quality, they are simply not sufficient in the type of torrential down pour we have been experiencing in East Africa lately. We are currently in the process of manufacturing a more effective fly sheet that will cover the whole tent area in the hope of overcoming this problem. However, the process of manufacturing these fly sheets in Kenya does take time & it is not possible to equip every vehicle immediately – it is going to take time.

In saying that, all tents will leak when the rains are excessive, but we are aware of the problem and we are actively seeking a solution.

Food rationing - In all the years we have been operating these trips, we have had very little complaint in regard to the quantity & quality of the food provided.
I honestly believe that we have some of the best safari cooks on the road who are capable of preparing good meals in the most difficult circumstances. The trip reports from your fellow travelers indicate that there was no shortage of food & in fact compliment the chef on his meals. Mention is made on this forum by a fellow traveler from your trip that there was not sufficient cheese for lunch on one occasion – hardly equates to food rationing when there was plenty of other food available?

The Trip Leader, Liz Bell is a very competent and resourceful young lady. To say that she knew nothing about Africa and had no interest in it contradicts the feedback received from 19 of your fellow travelers. Liz has been leading trips for us for sometime and her reports are normally very good. Sometimes client’s expectations of what the trip and the Trip Leader is about can get in the way of them actually enjoying the experience of Africa. I am not going to comment personally on the issue of any personality clashes between you, Liz and the rest of the group. From experience, unrealistic expectations of the trip leader or fellow passengers, or even Africa as a destination, will almost certainly lead to disappointment.

On the last 14 days of the 35 day trip that you were on this section covers some of the area known as East Africa. The trip incorporated both Kenya and Uganda with an option to see the gorillas in, either the DRC, Rwanda or Uganda. Due to the unusual weather conditions we have encountered here in East Africa over the past 2 to 3 months it was necessary to operate the trip in a reverse direction trusting that the weather and conditions would get better and allow us to visit the Masai Mara on the return from Uganda.

As per our brochure and itinerary:

From our base in Kisoro, depending on where permits are available, we trek in either The Magahinga or Bwindi National Parks in Uganda, The Virunga National Park in the DRC or at Rhuengeri National park in Rwanda.

You and your fellow passengers decided, by group vote, to trek in DRC despite Liz’s advice that this may not be possible due to reports of unrest in the region. Your group decision was based on the fact that permit prices in DRC were at that time, cheaper than in neighboring Uganda or Rwanda. Once it was established that DRC was definitely not a possibility our local agent was instructed to reserve permits in Bwindi National Park – the only permits available. The result being, that your group would have to stay in Kisoro and for go Lake Bunyoni. Lake Bunyoni is in our itinerary for that exact reason, to allow for extended trekking time should conditions dictate. The local agent, in a conversation with Liz, did suggest that it was a possibility for the remaining 8 pax to trek a day earlier under the pretence of visiting the pygmy village……. It is unfortunate that the local agent we were using considered this to be an option but in no way does this reflect on the Africa Travel Co and we do not condone this practice.

We have not taken so many clients to the gorillas by operating under dubious practices, or by obtaining permits by illegal means. We have now appointed another agent who we trust will be more ethical.

In closing I am disappointed that you haven’t contacted me directly.

No one likes to be criticized but if you felt that you didn’t get what was expected you do have the right to speak with me directly. I am the Founder & Managing Director and I am based in Nairobi, Kenya. Our East African Operations Manager is always there to greet the trucks when they arrive into Nairobi on a Saturday and he and I are ALWAYS at the departures the following day when the trips leave.
After the 21 day trip from Vic Falls to Nairobi you would have arrived into Nairobi on the Saturday the 20th of January 2007 and left again for the remaining 14 days on the Sunday the 21st of January 2007.
Both Brett and I were at the departure on the 21st of January 2007. We were also at the departure on the 4th of February when the remaining clients who were continuing on down south departed. Our Group General Manager, Leanne Guild led the southbound section from Nairobi with some of your fellow travel companions & had plenty of opportunity to discuss the issues raised with them.

I am the first to admit that this trip was challenging due to adverse weather conditions & various other factors beyond the control of our crew or company. However, judging from the trip feedback forms and Leanne’s discussions with your fellow travel companions, it would appear that unrealistic expectations is the major contributing factor for your lack of enjoyment.

If you were so unhappy why didn’t you come and introduce yourself and discuss the issues with us personally?

Once again I am disappointed that you didn’t enjoy your trip, if you would like to contact me directly you can do so on wataus@space.net.au

Kind regards,

Graeme Thomson
Founder and Managing Director
Africa Travel Co Ltd

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