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Italian equivalent of a joint of gammon?

Replies: 26 - Last Post: Dec 11, 2012 2:24 PM Last Post By: VinnyD

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StanInMaryland

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Dec 11, 2012 10:59 AM
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ok, I missed the brine cured part. Hmm..yes, I wouldn't call that fresh ham. Maybe what one smoke house I know of calls a "city ham".

marichel1981

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Dec 11, 2012 11:07 AM
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Actually what Vinnie is talking about is a Pork Roast (lots of skin for crackling) on the east side of the Atlantic and beyond. In the US anything that looks like a pork leg/Shoulder is called a Ham by some. Its just fresh meat. no curing/brining etc involved.

nutraxfornerves

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Dec 11, 2012 11:09 AM
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I didn't read my own post carefully. I meant to put in "city ham," not "fresh ham." "City ham" isn't a term used much around here. And, alas, country ham is nearly impossible to find.

marichel1981

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Dec 11, 2012 11:09 AM
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Its like 'Minced Meat' over here called Hamburg or hamburger in some areas e.g. new England.

VinnyD

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Dec 11, 2012 12:03 PM
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Where in the US is pork shoulder called ham, marichel?

StanInMaryland

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Dec 11, 2012 12:11 PM
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Nutrax,

I don't know that City Ham is a commonly used term anywhere. There is a smokehouse in my mother's home town, a small farming town in Missouri, that has a pretty long history of making country hams and when they introduced a moist (I think brine cured ham) that called it a city ham. The do mail order country hams. If you want information on it just pm me. They are not cheap but they are good.

VinnyD

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Dec 11, 2012 12:21 PM
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I've only heard city ham used to mean ham other than country ham, I.e. the ham that most people think of as ham.

marichel1981

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Dec 11, 2012 12:52 PM
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I dont know Vinny maybe the same place a leg of pork is called a ham. The US has some very weird and wonderful local names for a lot of cuts of meat and food in general. I've never heard a (fresh)leg of Pork called a ham unless its been made into ham. My idea of ham is a couple thin slices on fresh bread with mustard. All those big old slabs of ham that people eat..hmmm...gotta be loaded with salt and not that good for you.

StanInMaryland

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Dec 11, 2012 1:24 PM
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The "picnic" section of the shoulder will sometimes be called a "picnic ham" if it has been cured.

marichel1981

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Dec 11, 2012 1:42 PM
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Thanks Stan you saved my bacon ;) I knew I've seen shoulder assocated with Ham somewhere in the meat section

nutraxfornerves

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Dec 11, 2012 2:18 PM
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country ham, I.e. the ham that most people think of as ham.
Since country ham is rare around here, a brine-cured ham is what most people think of as "ham."

I mentioned picnic ham in #9. Before posting I tried ot figure out where the name came from. No luck, other than speculation about it being a cheaper cut of meat for feeding a crowd at a picnic. I found "picnic ham" being used as far back as 1890.

Picnic hams were also called California hams (shortened to Calas) at one time, although there is some evidence that a California ham may have been different. From an 1887 California newspaper "Why it is called California ham is a mystery, unless the inventor, eager to cover up the deception, sought for and found a far-fetched title for his invention." The "deception" was that a cheap shoulder cut was being passed off as a real ham.

Google, blast its algorithms, keeps finding the Pickwick Papers, even when my search term is "picnic ham" in double quotes.

VinnyD

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Dec 11, 2012 2:24 PM
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You misread me, nutrax.

I have seen menus which had "country ham" and "city ham". By "city ham" they meant ham that is not "country ham," that is, they meant the ham that most people think of as ham.
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