June/July 2013 California - final itinerary and 4 questions!!
Replies: 29 - Last Post: Nov 30, 2012 1:33 PM Last Post By: St_Stephen
Nov 27, 2012 4:59 PM
15Not to go all "tomayto -tomahto", but coast redwoods are sequoia sempervirens, making them the true sequoias, the lone living members of that genus. The "sequoias" of Sequoia Park and Yosemite are cousins who are the sole occupants of their own distinct genus, sequoiadendron giganteus. However, since "Sequoiadendron National Park" would be too hard for some tourists to pronounce, and would make others expect dinosaurs, the inaccurate name is used. (Actually, sequoiadendron giganteus were still being called sequoia giganteus at the time the park was named),
Both types of California Redwoods and the Dawn Redwoods of China are Sequoioideae, but "Sequoioid National Park" wouldn't be an improvement, either. Enjoy the trees.
Nov 27, 2012 5:06 PM
The common name of "sequoiadendron giganteus" is giant or Sierra "sequoia," not "sequoiadendron." And you'd be hard-pressed to find a layman refer to the coastal redwoods as "sequoias."
So they are both "sequoia," if you want to get truly pedantic about it.
(Think of it this way: the American Robin is not related to the European robin, but they are still "robins.")
Nov 27, 2012 5:13 PM
17I am a big fan of the Muir Woods, one thing i liked about the place is is OK for kids because when the on low ground when it is quite boggy and wet, the paths were boarded to protect both the forest system and walkers.
Nov 28, 2012 6:00 AM
Does Las Vegas have more than one airport? I'm checking out internal flights from Oakland >> Las Vegas >> Grand Canyon and have a flight from Oakland arriving at Las Vegas (NV) - LAS and then a flight going to the Grand Canyon from Mc Carran International (LAS) Las Vegas, NV. Are they the same airport?
Taking people's advice and looking into spending a night or two in the Grand Canyon South Rim village.
Nov 28, 2012 8:54 AM
19Yes, there's just one commercial airport in Las Vegas, McCarran Int'l. (LAS). It's very close to the Strip.
Nov 28, 2012 11:49 PM
20No, #16, they're only both sequoias if you don't want to get pedantic about it, and I have no interest in pressing laymen. If you actually do want to get pedantic about it (and I took pains not to), the only one that's really a sequoia is sequoia sempervirens. And if you want to sow confusion, you imply that coastal redwoods aren't sequoias in one post, and then in the next post, you say " they are both sequoia".
As for the robin analogy, the sequoias and sequoidendrons are in fact both closely-related redwoods, so it doesn't work either.
Common names are always chancy. In Central Canada, the walleye is called a "pickerel". Since there really is a fish called the pickerel whose habitat overlaps, and it sure as hell isn't a walleye, relying on the common name just leads to confusion. On the Pacific Coast, the black rockfish gets called "black bass". Since it isn't a bass, and isn't related to the freshwater black bass or the black sea bass, that also creates confusion. In the BC Interior, there's a fish called a ling that's a true cod, which isn't related to the ling cod on the coast, which isn't a cod at all. So much for the sanctity and accuracy of common names.
Nov 29, 2012 4:53 AM
(This is only a statement to indicate common naming. Please don't confuse this to suggest that I'm saying the robins are related or something to that effect.)
Again, one is called "sequoia" only in it's scientific name. The other is called "sequoia" as its common name (when people talk about the "sequoias," they are not referring to the coastal variety). Because both are named "sequoia," either can be called a "sequoia."
(And to be clear, no one here is saying that common names accurately describe genetic relationship, because they often don't, e.g. the robins. This is simply about names.).
And that's the last I will say about this.
Nov 29, 2012 5:04 AM
22On a different note, has anyone on here stayed at the South Rim of the Grand Canyon in any of the lodge's available, and if so, what did you think? How far away are they from the airport? I read on the website for these lodges that there are taxis running between the airport and the accommodation so I presume not too far?
Nov 29, 2012 5:30 AM
It's almost two hours from xFlagstaff.
The Grand Canyon Airport is about 45 minutes from the rim, but there are no commercial flights there (only charters and tours).
Nov 29, 2012 8:24 AM
24The less expensive lodges are a little older or smaller, etc., but I don't think any of them are rat holes.
During the summer, a periodic shuttle runs between the NP village and the airport.
Nov 29, 2012 1:08 PM
252. W 19th June – San Francisco. Visit Golden Gate Park and the Japanese Tea Gardens.
10. T 27th June – San Francisco. California Academy of Science
These can be easily combined if you have a full day, they are practically right next to each other.
And on the great sequoia debate, for my money, a redwood forest is far more interesting and unique than is a grove of giant sequoias. There is a reason a redwood forest is called one of nature's cathedrals.
Nov 29, 2012 2:51 PM
26#25 - Thanks, that's good to know and frees up another day for something else!!
#23 - I have found flights from Las Vegas to Grand Canyon as follows: Las Vegas to Sky Harbor International, Phoenix and then onto Grand Canyon Pulliam Field (FLG) for about £150 so around US$240 for a return flight. Can possibly get the flights for slightly cheaper too... Found them on www.farecompare.com. Are these legit flights then? Your comment regarding no commercial flights worried me?
#24 - The lodges do look a bit old and no air con etc, but I've always been a budget traveller and stayed in hot places before without air con, so this doesn't worry me too much. As long as the location is good, I'm happy, and by the sounds of it, it should be fab!!
Nov 29, 2012 3:49 PM
It takes about 4-5 hours to drive.
Your flights (including all airport time) will likely be more than that. And you still have the 90 miles to the canyon once you arrive.
Nov 29, 2012 3:56 PM
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