Colombia security conditions
Replies: 41 - Last Post: Dec 2, 2012 4:52 PM Last Post By: RobertoGustavo
Nov 26, 2012 2:39 PM
15hello again, michael
"...there is the possibility that someone may be sequestered by the FARC..."
I don't remember any Farc kidnapping foreigners related news in the past years, except the Chinese guys in... Vichada, I think?
"...but the security situation in Colombia has indeed deteriorated since Santos took over from Uribe..."
It's that true regarding crime and security statistics? From what I know this is gonna be the year with the lowest homicide rate of the last 30, for one...(in fact, in the Medellín area, murders get down 40% or something like that in the first semester of the year)
Edited by: Navarro
Nov 27, 2012 11:47 AM
16Let me get this straight. I strongly disagreed with your opinion, Aloysius, and I provided verifiable evidence. You just came back and repeated your baseless rant without supporting it with any evidence. And you call my verifiable evidence rant? I congratulate you. You win... lol
No, I do not owe slabird an apology. My "opinion" of her has not changed. I promote thorough reseach and planning in advance as well as being prudent and responsible so that a traveller can enjoy Colombia to the maximum, not just rely on luck which, in my opinion, will one day run out.
Navarro, amigo... the key word was "possibility"... your confirming the kidnappingof the 4 poor Chinese nationals by the FARC strongly reinforces that there is indeed a strong possibility of kidnapping by the FARC. Not only a possiblity, it actually happened as you confirmed. Do you see what I mean?
You are looking from one angle, many informed Colombians, including President Uribe, have pointed out clearly where security has deteriorated under President Santos.
Nov 27, 2012 5:12 PM
17"... your confirming the kidnappingof the 4 poor Chinese nationals by the FARC strongly reinforces that there is indeed a strong possibility of kidnapping by the FARC. Not only a possiblity, it actually happened as you confirmed. Do you see what I mean?"
but it's not strong. those Chinese guys were kidnapped in a very remote area. there is a very small chance you will get kidnapped as a foreign tourist and most probably not by Farc. 5 foreigners were kidnapped during 2009/2010 and I don't know if they were tourists or they lived here or what. Farc only kidnapped 3 people tin the first semester of this year according to País Libre, out of 81 total kidnappings this year (dunno how many foreigners).
Uribe's claims have always been very "polemical" to say the less, I would prefer checking some stats (I'm still searching some)....
Nov 27, 2012 5:13 PM
18Colombia is well within the realm of safe enough. In fact, "most travelers will find Colombia safer on average than all of the country's immediate neighbors." All your opinionated ranting isn't going to change that fact. And being rude to other posters isn't going to change it either. I'll let you guess where that quote, and many similar quotes, come from. Talk about providing verifiable evidence, I've just done it for you.
Now from this point forward you're on your own. I can't help you anymore. You either get it or you don't. I'm not your caretaker. It's not my responsibility to help you wend your way through life.
Nov 27, 2012 6:19 PM
19True but it is more dangerous than the UK or the US so you need to take care.
Nonsense... some parts of London are a daily bloodbath of gang and immigrant violence. Many cities in the US have a much, much higher murder rate than their equivalents in Colombia. Stop smearing a country you know so little about.
As for this character in #22 and #23, those are some pretty unhinged rants – hopefully only alcohol is involved but I have a feeling something stronger is at play. What a load of nonsense. Who is this "super nice guy" shot dead by banditos? The one with a Colombian wife who was living there and apparently involved in some shenanigans?
In the UK and the US, there are criminal laws that protect you and deter criminals... There is law enforcement that protects you and deters criminals... There are people on the street that protect you and deter criminals.
Is this supposed to imply that in Colombia, this is not the case? Obviously the author hasn't stepped foot in cities like Bogota, Medellin, or Cartagena lately, where police presence is strong and tourist areas have zero-tolerence policies against petty theft. They also perhaps might change their rosy outlook of the US or UK if they ever visited there and went to some more marginal neighborhoods (for example, in Florida where two Brits were murdered last year, or in the slums which virtually every city possesses).
Colombia is absolutely safe for tourists; the very few examples of petty crime are instances which can happen in any country (and typically occur because the victims are not following basic safety rules). The number of temporary visitors not involved with drugs, remote locations or politics who who get harmed in any way is incredibly small.
Nov 27, 2012 6:52 PM
20During my two visits to Colombia, I had not any crime problems. I went out at night, did what I wanted. I used the bus. I am sure anyone can find horrible crime stories. My local TV news here in the USA is full of them, too. Right in my area. I write about what I do and what happens to me, not stories in the media. My sincere sympathy goes to crime victims.
I really can't stand the fear mongering I sometimes read on travel sites. It serves no good purpose. People who are afraid should stay home and get mugged there. People who ask "Is it safe" really want hand holding. And I can't say for sure nothing terrible will happen to anyone walking down any street in the world. So go and enjoy Colombia. And I'm glad I don't have to date guys who are afraid of everything. They must be a real downer which is why they are alone, I guess. Kidnappers would want to pay a ransom to get rid of them!
The plain fact is that the majority of visitors to Colombia will not encounter crime problems. So enjoy a beautiful country. Don't let anyone spoil your vacation. (Some of the posts were deleted so the post numbers cited no longer relate to the original ones in case anyone is wondering.)
Nov 28, 2012 12:47 PM
21or they can go to the other extreme too, and taking justice by their own hands
I've had mixed experiences in Bogotá, coming from a town near. One time I got my cellphone stolen by two "gamines" (both unarmed) in front of a lot of people at 7pm, near cra 19. Another time I was saved by a car stopping and honking, which made the robbers ran away. Other time some people ran after them with me (funny thing is they run from us, having knifes) and I could recover almost everything they took from me. But a lot of the times people don't help.
Nov 28, 2012 12:58 PM
22#26 maybe you should spend less time on a forum and more in Colombia.
Nov 28, 2012 12:58 PM
23a lot of the times people don't help.
Strangely enough, I've seen the opposite when living in Medellin... again and again, private security guards or citizens stopping someone (as long as the victim clearly yells THIEF! and makes it clear). In fact, it becomes a bit of a spectator sport. They don't always catch them, but many times they do.
If you're getting your phone robbed by unarmed bums though... come on, you need some practice, seriously. What did they do, give you the stink eye?
Nov 28, 2012 4:35 PM
24I find two points worth making on questions about crime situations and you can substitute Colombia for just about any other country for these points:
1) there are people who seem to get a thrill telling others they will be killed, raped, mugged, beaten, kidnapped...you name it. Even though they themselves go or live there willingly,yes, WILLINGLY and don't have these problems. It appears to be a great joy to rain on someone's parade when they hear of vacation plans. They know very well that the odds of being victimized on, say, a two week trip are not great. And you can help decrease these odds simply by doing things like not getting involved in drug deals, etc.
which leads to the second point...
2) when I meet someone who is very concerned others want to kill him or her, sometimes they are right. Everyone they meet wants to kill them. THEY may need special security. Yet another person may find they can fit in very well with the local culture.
Nov 28, 2012 5:06 PM
25Kanka, I'll try to keep this simple. I stated that Colombia was within the realm of safe enough for travel. Michaelkennedy said he strongly disagrees. You state that his posts come closest to your experience, which implies you disagree, too. So here we have two people who say Colombia is not safe enough (the words), but who travel there (the actions). Here's my take. Actions speak louder than words. Both of you, without realizing it, are agreeing with what I said. Again, since both of you have already agreed with my comment that Colombia is not 100% safe.
Nov 28, 2012 5:33 PM
26I agree with Aloysius and Enroutesiglo on this issue and anyone who reads my posts knows I never write that out of any personality loyalty, but because it is the truth.
I think it is just disgusting for kidnapping to be brought up as a travel danger. Not because this terrible crime has not happened ever but because it doesn't even happen to one percent of visitors. It is just not realistic fear. Saying it is a realistic travel danger only plays into the worst stereotypes.
Nov 28, 2012 10:56 PM
27Lady, I'll have what you're having! Let's toast to Colombia; the safest most dangerous country on earth.
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