Wrong Calculation in Schengen Visa
Replies: 64 - Last Post: Mar 30, 2013 3:36 PM Last Post By: travelinstyle46
Nov 11, 2012 9:37 AM
45There are lots of things that are not brought to a traveller's attention ansh but which it is nevertheless the traveller's responsibility to know about. There is just no simple way to point out every possible thing a traveller might come across as applying to him/herself.
For example, in some countries in Europe you are required to have some form of identity papers on you at all times. That is not common to all countries in the world and it is quite likely that some tourists walk around without any. They leave their passport. driving license, etc. in the hotel safe for security for example when they go out sight-seeing.
In some cities the transit system operates on a type of 'honour system'. You buy a ticket at the bus stop, get on, validate your ticket on the bus and go on to your destination. Every year tourists discover that it wasn't just enough to buy the ticket and get on the bus. They didn't validate it and are fined for not having done so. Then they come on here and say, 'how was I supposed to know.' The answer is, it is your responsibility to know.
'Ignorantia juris non excusat' in the Latin ansh.
Nov 11, 2012 5:56 PM
46Now you are just drifting away from the topic. My question was "assuming you're right, the question remains: why isn't this rule mentioned for any visa application centre (VFS) website?" Ideally a visa application centre like VFS should list out all these general rules which would be useful to a traveller. The 90/180 rule for a traveller new to the Schengen isn't all that obvious because not all countries follow it and I'm sure you know it for ex Hong Kong where one can do visa runs and even Thailand. That's even more reason to list out the 90/180 rule.
Nov 14, 2012 11:58 PM
Nov 15, 2012 12:32 AM
48Guten Morgen Ansh.
The information from the AA in Germany - including the translation in other languages - gives the exact line what to do, how it works. Like for example in this part 'Key points of the Schengen acquis'.
The second point is the appointment when somebody ask for a visa in one of the embassies of the Schengen countries. If one dont understand the written rules, here he can ask about any detail and I am sure he will get the answer.
If after this a person think he know it better or he can do what he want he makes a mistake, it's against the rules and it's illegal in the whole Schnegen zone.
Nov 15, 2012 12:39 AM
49More details on the French site http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/la-france/venir-en-france/entrer-en-france/article/comment-lire-une-vignette-visa
Nov 15, 2012 12:51 AM
50And here you can see what the USA say about http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_4361.html
Nov 15, 2012 1:50 AM
Nov 16, 2012 10:35 AM
Nov 16, 2012 12:52 PM
regarding # 8
my suggestion is to apply from an NL mission although people obtain a visa from Country A although they're only visiting Country B and C, without problems (we've done that too).
I have not understood this point. As per a very reliable information on net - If you plan to visit several schengens then you must apply for the visa at the mission of the country which will be your main destination. In case you visit each Schengen for the same number of days then you have to apply at the mission of the Schengen country which will be the first point of entry.
Nov 16, 2012 2:46 PM
54Sanju, you seem to continue to desperately look for an answer. Have you talked to an Immigration lawyer yet or not? THAT is the answer you need to accept. You may be able to re-appply right away and you may not. ONLY an Immigration lawyer familiar with Schengen law will be able to look at your situation and documentation and answer that question. What someone else did or did not do is irrelevant.
Some people seem to think that if you ask a question enough times, the answer will change.
Nov 16, 2012 6:28 PM
55#53- that is indeed the rule but in practice it really doesn't matter if you spend less time in a country from where you got the visa. You don't even need to visit the country whose post gave you the visa but of course you'll have to change your itinerary to get that visa in the first place.
Last year we went to Germany and Austria, arrived at Frankfurt on a Swiss visa...with a boarding pass for Munich in our passports...no problems at all. Two years ago I arrived at Paris CDG with a Swiss visa on a school trip...again no questions asked.
Nov 17, 2012 8:48 AM
56The intent of the rule ansh is to spread the work of issuing visas around all the Schengen countries. So to do that you have to provide some way of spreading it. First country or country you will spend the most time in is the way they chose to spread it around. Simple as that, no other intent, so you're right it doesn't usually matter which country you get the visa from.
However, that has no relevance to Sanju's problem of having been denied a visa. All Schengen countries use the same SIS system and all will see he has been denied. So applying to another Schengen country will make no difference whatsover.
Nov 19, 2012 11:18 AM
57You don't even need to visit the country whose post gave you the visa but of course you'll have to change your itinerary to get that visa in the first place.
Is it some sort of illegal thing ? Because as per my Schengen tourist visa experience you submit documents to obtain a visa, one of the documentation is to have accommodations bookings for all days in Schengen and after that you are not supposed to alter the plan except any major change.
Nov 19, 2012 5:12 PM
58TiS, I was answering jayanraj in #55.
And no it's not illegal, AFAIK. One's plans may change between submitting an itinerary and getting a visa so no problem. Besides te visa is valid for Schengen not just the country you obtained it from, so my guess is it's fine. Having done it previously, I don't think I'll be hesitant in doing it again if needed.
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