Transport to Madeira
Replies: 15 - Last Post: Nov 26, 2012 4:39 PM Last Post By: joaop
Nov 15, 2012 11:03 AM
Nov 15, 2012 1:15 PM
Nov 15, 2012 2:10 PM
2The ferry line from the Canary Islands to Madeira to Portimao was the only one available. Therefore you should look for unscheduled options (e.g.: a freighter or a cruise) but I can't provide you info about them as I'm not an expert in sea travel. You can also stay tunned to see if the ferry to Madeira resumes operations.
Nov 16, 2012 12:01 AM
Nov 16, 2012 12:30 AM
Nov 16, 2012 1:40 AM
5Re #3: A very noble motif, but how would you make it from Belgium to southern Portugal?
How did you conclude that one empty plane seat, is more eco friendly than one additional boat seat?
Totally wrong reasoning Billy.
When it comes to flying, more full seats = more planes, and more empty seats = less planes. It's all a matter of offer and demand. Besides, that seat most probably wouldn't remain empty, but less planes would be flying if more people would think like the OP.
Ferries are far less pollutive compared to planes.
Nov 16, 2012 1:55 AM
Nov 16, 2012 7:24 AM
Nov 17, 2012 4:39 AM
8Actually planes in long distances can be the most fuel efficient mode of transportantion. The drag and gravity is muh lower 10 kms above. Planes also glide, that's why they have wings. This means that they can stay in th air for a little if the engines turn off - little may mean 100 kms with fuel consumption zero!
The huge amount of fuel spent by planes is done in the start of the trip, during the initial climb. This makes off course long distance flights more efficient than short dstance flights.
Madeira is 1000kms far from Lisbon. It's as far from Lisbon as Barcelona is. It's not really a short distance.
A boat has a huge drag. Moving in "thick" water means more fuel consumtion. Unless a ferry works by renewable forms of energy, it causes more pollution than a plane.
On a thousand km ride, the previous ferry took about 22 hours whereas a flight takes 1,5 hours.
I do not mean to be against boats, nor am I happy that that ferry no longer exists Anyway there are no ferries to Madeira, nor from Portugal's mainland, neither from Morocco.
You'll have to fly to get there, or take a cruise which only stops a few hours in Funchal.
Nov 19, 2012 2:03 AM
Wauw, I'm positively surprised that my post has gotten so much respons.
First of all: getting to Portugal won't be the problem, since I've hitchhicked from Lisboa to Belgium about 2 summers ago.
Second: the boat doesn't necessarily have to be a tourist ferry, over here we have goods ships that offer places, and there are even websites for them. Unfortunately I haven't found any yet for this particular route.
Third: Perhaps planes are more fuel effecient, but they require much more energy: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800902002112 and http://books.google.be/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=wueZG01A9YoC&oi=fnd&pg=PA15&dq=air+travel+boat+ecology&ots=Pm31JWmsX6&sig=uY_gQJpo80LGO9vQ5tHNdFlLucc#v=onepage&q=air%20travel%20boat%20ecology&f=false; Furthermore boats carry about 10 times more people than planes, so for every boat, there's +10 planes!
Last but not least, I'm allergic to people stating the "the plane flies anyway"-argument. That's just selfprotection for your guilt of polluting. I'll go with artemis2-reasoning.
Okay, hope to get more of these valuable discussion here!
Nov 19, 2012 4:14 AM
Nov 19, 2012 10:30 AM
11@battybilly (#10): You know I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes my wording isn't the most accurate but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Let's say it this way: you love Ryanair (source; post #18), you love Wizzair and use it quite a lot (source; post #5 and post #3), you are not a lover of public transport therefore rent-a-car is your thing (source; post #12), you are great driving lover (source; post #3), you love old cars (source; post #29)... As I said, I'm surprised you are all for more eco friendly travel.
Nov 19, 2012 11:02 AM
Nov 19, 2012 11:51 AM
13OP, are you considering the overall eco-impact of your travel, rather than just the fuel consumption?
I am not convinced that, for instance, spending a week or more between trains, buses, hitchiking, ferries, freight ships etc, with perhaps a couple of hotel stays en route (each with a hot shower and clean sheets, of course), is necessarily more eco-friendly than a 3-hour plane journey, once you consider the overall consumption of food, drinks, heating, air conditioning etc, and the fact"travel waste" created by spending a week journeying bewteen places is generally disposed of less optimally than normal houshold waste...
Nov 19, 2012 11:57 AM
14The main thing is.... You have choices.
Which one is more eco-friendly, is a lot more than simply claiming one is cleaner than the other.
Stating that a boat is eco-friendlier than a plane - and no more than that, is just a personal opinion.
The facts and figures on this subject are utterly huge.
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