Not using a connecting flight?
Replies: 14 - Last Post: Oct 23, 2012 10:15 AM Last Post By: malvolio
Oct 21, 2012 5:13 PM
Not using a connecting flight?Hi All
Found a decent-ish price to KL for Xmas (from London) - £750 with Vietnam Airlines via Hanoi.
Got me thinking that quite a good trip would be open jaw into Hanoi then travel by land to KL....
If I want to do this though the price jumps to £1,100!!!
What do you think would happen if I just left the airport once my flight landed in Hanoi and didn't take the connecting flight to KL? Reckon this could lead to difficulties?
I'm wondering if it could invalidate my return flight? (KL-Hanoi-London)
Oct 21, 2012 6:45 PM
Oct 21, 2012 10:16 PM
Oct 21, 2012 11:17 PM
3What you're proposing is called "point-beyond ticketing" and airlines hate it. They cancel segments, refuse boarding, confiscate frequent-flyer miles. They call it unethical, though I'm not sure I agree.
If you do it, obviously, don't check a bag. Call them a few days after you land and tell them, "I was flying to KL and I felt really sick and got of the plane at Hanoi. I want to make sure I still have my return reservation." (You might want to have some story ready about how you just happened to have a Vietnamese visa pre-approval letter in your carry-on luggage.)
Since what you are really doing is so implausible, they probably won't give you any trouble.
Which brings me to what you are really doing. Hanoi to KL overland? That's a long, tortuous trip. You could take the train to HCMC (almost two days), some combination of bus, boat, and taxi across Cambodia to Bangkok (at least two more days), then a train down to KL (almost a day). It would be quite an odyssey. Are you certain you want to do this?
Oct 22, 2012 3:13 AM
4If you don't use a segment of a flight, the remaining segments are usually automatically cancelled unless the airline is pre-warned and there's a good reason. It's a pretty big risk. Also, if you don't re-board and have luggage in the hold, it'll cause delays for the other passengers as the airline will have to find your luggage and take it off before flying again (not out of the goodness of their hearts, but because of the perceived risk). Just don't do it.
Have you asked a travel agent if they can do a better fare? It can be very difficult to get good open-jaw deals through the online booking sites, or even directly through the airline website. My own experience with full cost carriers (LCC's are very different) has generally been that a decent agent will match (or be exceedingly close to) an advertised fare / online fare, and can do open jaw, round world etc tickets considerably cheaper than I can get myself. It's not always the case, but worth trying.
Oct 22, 2012 3:50 AM
5This is definitely not advisable for all the reasons stated by others. You could end up with huge costs (with the discount on the original ticket becoming irrelevant) apart from the other security hassles.
However, there is definitely no harm in asking. Rules can always be bent provided it is the airline that has decided to do so and you have their PRIOR approval.
I used frequent flier miles to book a return ticket to HCMC via Singapore. After making the booking I managed to get the airline to cancel the Singapore-HCMC segment and I have instead booked a flight to Hanoi on a budget airline, thereby creating my own open-jaw.
Sometimes it really depends on who you speak to and how persuasive you are. But if the airline does not PRE-approve this just don't do it.
Oct 22, 2012 4:29 AM
6#3 your advise may sound logical but BUT I most certainly would not advise it forget about the frequent flier miles the risk that they will cancel the return ticket is too great especially as the vanishing trick will cause the airline a lot of inconvienance.
The other posts are far more constructive and offer better advise
Oct 22, 2012 5:25 AM
Oct 22, 2012 6:15 AM
Bigal you completely misunderstood what I said. My tickets were booked using my frequent flyer miles. I am not advocating using the miles for performing a "vanishing trick". The only reason I mentioned it since it is possible that it was a factor that influenced the airline in PRE-approving the cancellation of the segment.
This is with Singapore airlines by the way and I have been given a new itinerary confirming that fact.
Previously with LUFTHANSA I was refused a similar request. The whole point of my post was to get the OP to call the airline well BEFORE the departure. If the airline agrees AND confirms in writing you should be fine. If they don't agree then that's just tough luck. Doesn't hurt to at least ask.
Oct 22, 2012 7:02 AM
9#8 I think we both agree that if he does not have advance permission then forget it.
I agree about asking and often if you find the right person then you may well strike lucky but it is easier to do before booking and probably difficult to impossible after. I suspect that the reason why it might have worked with you frequent flier miles is that the ticket cost (in miles) may have been worked out differently (ie only on the miles flown) and as such the request was much simpler
Oct 22, 2012 1:42 PM
10Thanks for all your replies.
Certainly does sound risky.
You know the craziest thing - just checked and return flight London-Hanoi-London is about £400 more expensive than London-Hanoi-KL-Hanoi-London....exactly the same Vietnam airline flights!!!
Malvolio - I don't think the trip would be so bad, I'd have about a month - good be quite good!
Oct 22, 2012 1:54 PM
11On a different note - what are the prices like in Vietnam nowadays?
I first went 10 years ago and good quality hotel rooms (air con, TV, private bathoom) could be had for $10. I went back 3 or 4 years ago and the same type of room was at least $30.
The worst example was a hotel that I'd paid $20 for in 2003 was charging $90 for exactly the same room!
Oct 22, 2012 2:38 PM
12If you fly Qatar Air, you can get an open-jaw LON-HAN, KUL-LON for £730. Of course, there are changes in Doha and BKK, but you don't seem to be afraid of a little travel.
It would be interesting but perhaps a little strenuous. Take a month to do you could have quite the adventure. Stop off in Danang, Mui Ne, Phnom Penh, Siem Reap, Krabi, places like that.
Oct 23, 2012 9:50 AM
Oct 23, 2012 10:15 AM
This is from ITA-Matrix, Google's bizarrely neutral trip-advisor. You still have to find an agent for the tickets.
There's no boring part of that trip, except maybe the SR-BKK leg, and the replacement flight there is absurdly expensive. If I had a month to do it, I would do two days in a little place, then hop to the next one by a two- to four-hour bus or train ride. Ten hops would get me from Hanoi, to HCMC, to PP, to SR, to BKK, to KL (with a few stops in between).
(3 star Hotel)
From US$51.55 per night
(4 star Hotel)
From US$90.18 per night
(4 star Hotel)
From US$62.91 per night