Overstayed my 3 months inside the EU. Now willing to go to the UK
Replies: 26 - Last Post: Oct 30, 2012 6:29 AM Last Post By: battybilly
Oct 19, 2012 1:29 AM
Overstayed my 3 months inside the EU. Now willing to go to the UKHi I need some advice...
I'm a Chilean citizen and I've overstayed for about a year and 4 months inside the EU (no residence permit). I've been traveling around but only inside the EU, different countries.
I am currently in Finland and I want to go to the UK (London) to visit a friend, but do not plan to stay there for more than 2 weeks.
I was wondering if there are any passport checkups in London? If coming from another country inside the Schengen. I would be taking a flight.
Do I risk being deported from the EU or denied the entrance to the UK and being sent back to Finland or anywhere?
I have more than enough money to live or do whatever, so this is not the issue, it's just the passport :/
Thank you a lot.
Oct 19, 2012 1:54 AM
1Your passport will be checked arriving in the UK - by whatever means.
What action they will take regarding your overstay in Finland - pass. They may not even notice.
Getting back into Finland could be an issue though.
Oct 19, 2012 2:03 AM
2You're talking about Schengen, not the EU.
Don't forget that they also carry out exit passport checks when you leave the Schengen area, so your passport will be checked in Finland and the UK.
Oct 19, 2012 2:12 AM
3I suppose you're referring to the Schengen Area, which isn't the same as the EU.
Funny how people always come here asking for reassurances after they decided immigration laws don't apply to them - if you have the balls to break laws, you should also have the balls to face possible consequences. Fact is, quite simply, that no one can predict what will happen to you; you may get your illegal status exposed when you make this trip, and that's your own responsibility.
As we speak, you are considered an illegal immigrant in Finland. While chances of trouble are relatively low as long as you don't have your passport checked by immigration (i.e. when you're travelling around Schengen), there is a real chance immigration will notice your overstay when you exit the Schengen Area, either directly from Finland or from another Schengen country. What happens next is up to the immigration officer's discretion: reports on this forum and in newspapers show that some people pass through without any problem or with just a verbal warning, while others get a fine (up to over €1000) and are banned from Schengen for x years.
It's not unlike that you'll be held for questioning by immigration and end up missing your flight, before you're deported to Chile (at your own expenses).
I don't think you'll ever make it to the UK as long as Finnish immigration do their job properly and put you on the first flight to Santiago de Chile. The UK isn't part of Schengen, but immigration will only let you into their country at their discretion - and they won't be happy to let someone in who has a proven history of breaking the law.
And if you do make it to the UK and go back to Finland, getting back into that country again involves the risk of getting caught.
Oct 19, 2012 3:15 AM
4Thanks a lot to everybody for the inputs.
Yes I was referring to the Schengen area, I wasn't aware England wasn't in it. Whether to have the balls or not, you don't need to be so brave to break the law... It's just enjoying your time. Unfortunately, that such rules exist, is sad. I don't even work here or anything and spend easily every month about 2500+ EUR, which come from Chile, so in that regard it's a benefit to the EU or whatever country I'm in. Just the paperwork is a karma here or any country in the world.
If I were to acquire a brand new passport at my embassy, boarder control can still check my status even if I don't have the stamps on the pages of the passport. Am I right?
So thanks a lot to everybody.
Oct 19, 2012 3:38 AM
5No point getting a new passport, as details of your name, date of birth, nationality etc will be checked. So, please don't waste your meony trying to evade rules, however unfair you feel they are.
And England doesn't have border control, but UK (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ie England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland together) does.
EU is more closely comparable to Mercosur in South America, in trade terms, while Schengen Agreement is only for immigration control in some EU states, of which UK is not one.
Even when I led an expedition in Chile, unpaid - in fact, I had to pay my own expenses, which involved 30 people (24 youngsters, plus 5 other leaders) spending considerable amounts of money for 6 weeks, then 2 months in other territories, then another 24 hours on way home, limits existed on how long I could stay. Sadly, I just had to accept "that's the rules".
Oct 19, 2012 5:10 AM
6that such rules exist, is sad. I don't even work here or anything and spend easily every month about 2500 EUR, which come from Chile, so in that regard it's a benefit to the EU or whatever country I'm in
Funny, I somehow knew irrelevant comments like this would come up to justify your overstay - typical for people who posts topics like this: blame the rules rather than yourself for disregarding them.
If I were to acquire a brand new passport at my embassy
How would you do that without your embassy noticing that you're in Finland illegally?
boarder control can still check my status even if I don't have the stamps on the pages of the passport. Am I right?
It depends on whether your passport was scanned when you entered the Schengen Area, perhaps they will, perhaps they won't notice. You won't know for sure until you give it a try.
Good luck, you'll need it (I presume one day you will try to get out of Schengen, right?)
Oct 19, 2012 6:06 AM
Oct 19, 2012 1:26 PM
8Copepod, thank you for the reply. I appreciate your input. It helped me understand some things.
Aribo: I don't know what's with you judging other people over the internet. I kindly asked for some hints and suggestions, I didn't come here to argue. No matter how pointless you think my point of view is, I came only for suggestions, that's all.
I guess there are some recourses for getting a new passport.
I think I am not going to be trying, at least I'll leave it like that for now.
Oct 19, 2012 1:44 PM
9OK, here's my suggestion: unless you want to spend the rest of your life in the Schengen Area, at risk of getting caught and deported, start thinking about how you can get yourself out of the situation you brought yourself in. Also note that any insurance you have is currently invalid, as policies clearly forbid engaging in illegal activities.
And as for me judging people... You're right, I should have known that you have a good reason for overstaying your Schengen allowance by a mere 16 months. My apologies.
Oct 20, 2012 3:45 AM
Oct 20, 2012 6:29 AM
Oct 20, 2012 12:03 PM
12Wow, there's a lot of self-righteousness on display here today. I wonder how many of these devoted vindicators of immigration laws are lucky enough to have passports that permit them to travel pretty freely in most of the world.
But the basic advice not to even think of trying to get to England is correct. Best to minimize flying until you are ready to leave Europe, I think.
As Copepod said, getting a new passport won't help at all. Schengen authorities will have your personal details anyway and any other country's immigration authorities will probably want to see the passport you entered the previous country on. Certainly if you rock up at a UK airport on a European flight without any evidence of having been in Europe in your passport, questions will be asked. Questions likely to result in you being sent back whence you came, whence in turn I'm afraid you're likely to be sent back to Chile.
Oct 20, 2012 1:51 PM
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