German residency and being in other parts of EU
Replies: 11 - Last Post: Oct 22, 2012 1:29 PM Last Post By: travelinstyle46
Oct 18, 2012 3:15 AM
German residency and being in other parts of EUI am an EU citizen and presently living in Berlin with my wife, a non- EU citizen. She came to Germany on September 14 this year and had the right to remain in the EU for 90 days, until December 13, let's say. She now, though, has her Bundesrepublik Deutschland Aufenthaltskarte (residency permit), which allows her to stay in Germany until 1st May, 2013.
I say "stay in Germany", but what I want to know is, whether this German residency permission allows her, too, to be in another EU country until 1st May. We are thinking of travelling to Eastern Europe next April, then exiting to Turkey before May 1st. We'd assumed that this German residency card would allow us to do this, legally, but now are not quite so sure.
Please, any opinion?
Oct 18, 2012 3:34 AM
1It would be helpfull if you go (for your wife if she cannot do it by herself) in contact with the different embassies of the states of your choice to ask. Easy to do, they are all in Berlin. To make it more comfortable for you and her, ask for a 'Aufenthaltserlaubnis', much better then the Aufenthaltsgenehmigung.
Oct 18, 2012 5:26 AM
2Your wife is going to be fine.
Once you have a long-term visa you can legally spend 90 out of 180 days in the other Schengen countries. So a trip of several weeks within Schengen is totally fine.
However in practice, given the lack of border formalities, nobody will be able to check or control how much time she spent in other Schengen countries. E.g. my wife has a long term visa for France and we travel within Europe a lot- nobody would know (and nobody has ever asked) how much time she spent within Schengen, but outside of France.
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Oct 18, 2012 3:17 PM
8Clearly you need to state your wife's nationality and the route you will take to Turkey if it will involve any non-Schengen countries.
There will be no problem if you stay within Schengen countries.
Oct 19, 2012 4:56 AM
9Thanks for replies.
Expected route from Germany to Turkey is Poland-Slovakia-Hungary-Romania-Bulgaria.
My wife can visit the two non-Schengen countries, Romania and Bulgaria, for 90 days each, without a visa of any kind (just with her passport).
My understanding is that since she is, until May 1st 2013, a German resident, she can travel within other Schengen countries during the validity of that residency, at least up to a maximum of 90 days within a 180-day period. The "90 in 180" rule does not, under her present circumstances, include Germany: she can already do that with her passport alone.
Just a point: I'm not sure that "Country:UK" in my profile means we're living in Britain. Or perhaps it does; perhaps Thorntree is asking where you live, not where you're from.
For the UK, btw, my wife (citizen of South Korea) has always been given on entry a 180-day stamp.
Oct 19, 2012 9:01 AM
Oct 22, 2012 1:29 PM
11I don't see that she will have any problems at all given the info you have now provided.
Yes the 'country' in the profile section is rather useless actually. What would make more sense is 'nationality' and with the ability to enter more than one answer. Mine for example is British/Canadian and I hold passports for both.
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