Trip to Germany & Switzerland - November 2012
Replies: 23 - Last Post: Nov 2, 2012 3:59 AM Last Post By: neckervd
Sep 29, 2012 6:49 AM
Trip to Germany & Switzerland - November 2012Hello all,
I am planning our family travel (some senior citizens too who love nature, flowers, scenic places and Christmas markets/shopping) between 08 - 20Nov12. This trip tentatively would consist of Germany, France (may be Strasbourg) and Swizterland.
Day 1-4 (3nites)
Arrive into FRANKFURT. Checkin to a self catering apartment
Do day-trips to Dusselfdorf, Cologne or any other cities
Day 4-7 (3nites)
Arrive in Friebourg. Checkin to a self catering apartment.
Do day-trips to Europapark, Heidelberg, Strasbourg
We wouldn't mind staying in Friebourg for just 2nites and move for 2nites to Strasbourg if that's worth visiting? Would also love to do the famous Black-forest area but am traveling with Senior travelers though they all love scenic beauty, nature, flowers etc (not sure if i will find that in November!)
Whats the best recommendation for the following:
- Self catering apartments
- Day trips, river cruises (was considering a 3nite River cruise on A-Rosa lines as they seem to be the cheapest around EUR300-400 per person for 3-4nites full board but not sure what to expect)
- would you recommend a German rail pass or taking a group ticket(s) for the day-trips since we are 09 adults (including some 55+yrs). Last year did Munich for 4days and someone recommended a group day ticket to visit Salzburg for EUR30 for 5adults. That was an excellent saving for us. Any such tips would be appreciated.
- Am flexible with the cities/duration of stay as we on a fairly strict budget. Most of the travelers are vegetarian and hence the option of self-catering apartments.
After the above itinerary, we are proceeding to Switzerland. Details posted in the Swiss forums. Any insights there would be appreciated too.
Cheers and thanks in advance for your help.
Sep 29, 2012 7:13 AM
Sep 29, 2012 7:24 AM
Sep 29, 2012 9:25 AM
3The weather can be unhelpful in November, which might encourage city visits rather than countryside, but what is the reason for going hundreds of km from Frankfurt to Dusseldorf, particularly if you are on a budget? Is it because you have a particular reason to go there, or have you not researched properly and haven't heard of anywhere else?
For group tickets you need to research the bahn website - it is available in English too.
Sep 29, 2012 10:27 AM
Thanks for your revert. There was no particular reason just that some of the people in the group wanted to explore it (possibly shopping and seeing another German city). Was not aware of the distance of it being hundreds of KM's away (though I am researching on my itinerary and thats how have put it in some shape/order and seeking more help) and I do thank you for the heads-up on that. Any other recommendations would be appreciated too.
Sep 29, 2012 5:38 PM
Sep 29, 2012 9:47 PM
Thanks for the tip. Would you recommend the German Rail pass for international travelers or would you recommend any group tickets for 4-5 adults for these day trips ?
Would you recommend then going to Freiburg or straight going to Strassbourg and staying there for 2nites instead before proceeding to Switzerland..?
Appreciate all who are contributing or viewing this thread...
Sep 30, 2012 3:18 AM
7I suppose you have your reasons for staying at Freiburg (if you don't visit the museums, the historic center and the cathedral can be seen in 2 hrs).
The Europapark will be closed from 5th until 23rd November.
Freiburg - Strasbourg is a 1 1/2 hrs backtracking via Offenburg. Frankfurt airport - Strasbourg would be 2 1/4 hrs.
Heidelberg is 2 hrs backtracking from Freiburg or 1 hr from Frankfurt airport.
For day trips within the Land Baden Wurttemerg http://www.bahn.de/regional/view/mdb/pv/deutschlanderleben/badenwrttemberg/regionales/baden_w_rttemberg_ticket/2012/MDB99495-streckenkarte_bawue_ticket_2012.pdf
use the Baden Wurttemberg ticket: 37 EUR/day for 5 people, 70 EUR/day for 9 people http://www.bahn.de/i/view/DEU/en/prices/germany/laender-ticket.shtml
Sep 30, 2012 4:05 AM
8es gibt bessere Lösungen ..... do you think somebody from India knows better solutions, what are RE, IRE trains or Milchkannen (and for you and other idiots, this site is always in English).
Sep 30, 2012 4:06 AM
Thanks for your update. Coincidentally i too was just going thru the EuropaPark website and was not sure if they are open or not as the calendar for Nov showed the dates but the color coding was not present. Thanks for the heads-up!
Wouldn't mind keeping Frankfurt as my base... easier to get a self-catering apartment there for a longer stay possibly.. Would you recommend stay in Strasbourg instead of Frieburg then .. there was no particular reason of going to Frieburg accept to reduce train timings but guess I got my geography a bit wrong there!
Disney Paris is probably too far fetched a thought from Strasbourg.or any other French city (which helps me with a cheap connection to Switzerland/Lucerne).. but if it was do-able could probably do a day trip from there... :(
To take the Black Forest Scenic train... do i need 2 Lander tickets or 1 for our group of 09 adults for a day trip from Frankfurt ? Pardon my ignorance on this..
Sep 30, 2012 4:10 AM
10Laendertickets are availabel for 1st class too, but that doesn't make sense for Hoellentalbahn, Ortenaubahn or a Freiburg - Basle (RE just 20 min slower than ICE) ride
Sep 30, 2012 4:14 AM
I guess you misunderstood me. I meant to travel from frankfurt to the Black forest area would i need two sets of tickets or just issue one Lander ticket for our group of 09 as your earlier post quoted two different prices for and am not sure if its for travel to two different zones to get from frankfurt to Blackforest area.
Thanks in advance for your clarifications. Do read my earlier response too.
Sep 30, 2012 9:38 AM
12My post 13 is not a reply to your post 12 (we wrote at the same time), but to auschiss44.
May be you should define what you mean with "Black Forest". For me, the Black Forest is roughly the hilly area between the Upper Rhine Plain Karlsruhe - Basle and the railway line Pforzheim - Horb - Donaueschingen.
Laender tickets make sense for travel within a Land and not for longer journeys through 2 Laender (Frankfurt airport - Freiburg).
As to the Baden-Wuerttemberg ticket fare, read mo post 8: it costs 37 EUR for 5 people (7.40 EUR/pax) or 33 EUR for 4 people (8.25 EUR/pax).
Oct 1, 2012 4:30 PM
13You may find it hard to find self catering apparments for just a couple of days. Often there is a minimum stay or even a full week required. Keep that in mind.
From Frankfurt it might be a good idea to take a train ride along the Rhine to Cologne. Make sure you the train really goes along the Rhine, though this might require changes at Mainz/Wiesbaden and Koblenz (there is a Hi-speed track from Frankfurt to Cologne, which does not follow the Rhine). November is not a good month for river cruises, not much on offer, if any.
Christmas markets usually start at the end of November, you might be too early for that. Strassburg for example, very romantic, starts Nov 24th. Freiburg Nov 26th.
Maybe you find some nice accomodation at Baden-Baden. Cosy spa city at the edge of Black Forest, you can start tours there if its still worth it (which nobody csan predict yet for November) or stay in the wineyards. Splendid shopping there, not only, but also for russian billionaires.
By train you can do quite a lot from Baden-Baden, even as fas as Basel/Switzerland. Strasburg is possible, Heidelberg, Mannheim, Karlsruhe
Train ticktes: There are "Laender-Tickets" for one, sometimes several, Länder. The Baden-Württemberg-Ticket is valid only within Baden-Württemberg. Frankfurt is Hesse, so, that is Hessen-Ticket. But there is also the Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket, which covers all of Germany (same conditions as Länder-Tickets, valid only in regional trains from 9 am, 2 nd class, up to 5 ppl), but more expensive, 66 Euro for five. Schöner Wochenend-Tickets for weekends. If the DB-rail pass for foreign guests is an alternative for you, depends on your itinerary and, of course, gives a wider choice of trains as the long distance trains are included, too.
Oct 8, 2012 11:02 AM
14Thanks all for your suggestions. My itinerary is finally taking some shape now with all the inputs from everywhere.
Arrive in Frankfurt by 08Nov (4nites)
Any recommendation/websites for centrally located self-catering apartments?
Any recommendations for day trips from Frankfurt using Lander tickets. Heidleburg is one of them on the Lander tickets. Any other beautiful/scenic places worth exploring.. not sure if we will get to see any good botanical gardens in the bloom (obviously not during this time of the year!). Europe is expensive when it comes to shopping but any bargain centres/weekend markets in/around Frankfurt ?
Am still confused if I should move to Frieburg (Germany) or Strasbourg (France) or Baden Baden (Germany) as would like to do a day trip to the Black Forest area. There is a scenic train there in that area. Is it to be done as a one-way from Baden Baden and stay somewhere ? Still unclear about this part.
Spend 2nites in Frieburg or Strasbourg before proceeding either to Paris or Lucerne ( I can depart back from Paris or Zurich to India and I am aware the Weather is not the best to travel but what the heck :)). Winter in Mumbai is nothing like winter in Europe..may as well get the woolens and the umbrella out!
As Europapark is closed during our travel, am planning to do Eurodisney (and it seems very expensive!) but have promised some of the group members to take them to a theme park. Its not as if we travel to Europe every month :)
Any inputs to help me further structure the itinerary would help in booking the apartments/train tickets etc.
Many thanks TT'ers
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