Women Travelers in Sale (may not want to visit)
Replies: 24 - Last Post: Sep 4, 2012 4:57 PM Last Post By: miguelreposo
Sep 2, 2012 9:28 AM
Women Travelers in Sale (may not want to visit)Women travelers, especially those traveling alone, may want to avoid Sale, especially the beach area.
Today, after taking a 2 d boat across from the Rabat side, I went for a walk along the coast at midday when it is most crowded, even with families. I was dressed in looser jeans, sport shoes, and a long-sleeve t-shirt with my hair back, yet was harassed the entire time, from groups of young boys to middle age men, one of whom even followed me on his scooter yelling out at me (50+years old!) when I finally left the beach to take the road back. One after another yelling, hissing, etc., like they were building on each other. Ignoring them did no good at all.
Finally, one guy with a group of adolescents around him thew a large rock at me, missing me by inches and hitting a parked car next to me. Even after that, the harassment continued. It was very uncomfortable, to say the least. I speak Arabic, French and English and was harassed in all of these languages and Spanish, even with families around watching.
I strongly urge women travelers to avoid Sale, especially the beach area. Spend your money to go elsewhere.
Edited by: CAP33
Sep 2, 2012 11:34 AM
1I'd say it takes a great deal to cause Moroccans, in this case of all ages, to behave in the way you describe. My experience of more than three years living in the country tells me that Moroccans are nearly always tolerant, patient, and good humoured.
Not having been there at the time, it's impossible for me to imagine what it was about you that very obviously offended so many people. Is there something you're not telling us?
Sep 2, 2012 12:58 PM
2In thirty years of travelling alone in Morocco, I have never been subjected to the abuse described here. Apart fron touts and hustlers, I have, as a foreigner, always been treated with respect and consideration, and have many times received help from ordinary Moroccan people, so something is not quite right about this story, to me it reads like a fabricated malicious complaint, when I worked as a city bus driver, I was regularly interviewed by transport managers about " poison pen letters " received from mainly neurotic, unbalanced, predominantly female customers, many of whom had a drug or alcohol dependency.
So, if you were berated in four languages, which sounds improbable, how did they know what language you normally spoke?
Detective Reposo " is on the case " !
Sep 2, 2012 4:00 PM
Sep 2, 2012 4:19 PM
4From a female perspective, Morocco takes on a whole new vibe when on your own and I’m quite surprised that some of the guys contributing to this thread don’t realise this……obviously because it’s impossible for you to experience it, or ever get the opportunity to witness what some Moroccan men can be like when alone with a foreign woman.
Over the years I have seen a clear distinction between how I’m treated when I’m with my fella, and when I’m alone. I’ve found on numerous occasions and ALWAYS when I’m alone, that I’ve been grabbed at, followed, intimidated and had lurid and sexually offensive language aimed at me (though it’s never been anything more than a grope and/or words…no violence). When these scrotes receive the response they deserve from me, they sometimes turned slightly aggressive, usually in a vain attempt to claw back some dignity, especially when they’re in the company of other males. These types of occurrence never happen when I’m in male company and I usually receive the upmost respect from Moroccan men when with my fella, but it’s clear to me that some Moroccan men see a loan foreign female as a target for, most usually, sexual relations or some sort of opportunity for something “forbidden”. As is common amongst sexually repressed cultures such as Morocco, when rebuffed by what is wrongly perceived as an “easy” women, many Moroccan men can feel dishonoured or insulted….which can often lead to situations like this.
Both I and acquaintances of mine have had similar experiences to this.
I ‘m really disappointed and slightly perturbed by the dismissive and arrogant responses so far. Whether you believe the story or not, such a quick and blinkered response can really put off other women wanting to share these types of stories and that’s just going to lead to readers being uninformed about the risks of travelling alone. Well done lads.
Sep 2, 2012 5:36 PM
5Another typically neurotic female response, enough to activate my part-time misogynist attitude, If you can't cope with the prevalent culture in any particular country, don't go there thinking you can change everything to assuage your own selfish agenda, it's not going to work, stay at home and watch ghastly daytime TV !
Detective Reposo's case notes updated...............
Sep 2, 2012 7:24 PM
6I agree with Kate on this one. The treatment you get as a lone female is very different to what you get as a couple or a group and this comes from living in Morocco for almost three years. Unfortunately as males the other posters will not experience this or get to see it as the Moroccan males will not do it in the presence of foreign males. I did go to Sale once but only in a group and it is a very much more conservative area than Rabat. I have no doubts that what happened to the OP is true as I can imagine it happening as I have experienced the comments and hissing numerous times. One advantage of not having good language skills, is that you don't understand what they are saying so it is easier to ignore.
Sep 2, 2012 10:08 PM
7I also agree with Kate, and I'm disappointed, to put it mildly, with some of the male responses so far. Anyone who's talked with their share of women tourists who've ventured out alone in Morocco should have heard at least a few such stories.
Thanks for the report, OP, and for the discussion.
Sep 3, 2012 2:50 AM
8Wow Miguel, I haven’t encountered a backward attitude like your’s since my grandfather died. I presume your single (and miserable) like he was. No wonder you spend so much time in seedy Moroccan bars, it’s the only place where your sort of woman hangs out…LOL.
I’m not even going to try to respond and redirect Miguel’s comically archaic and bizarrely aggressive response to try to help out other readers. I think we’ve all seen fellas like this before, usually in Benidorm with the other bus drivers admittedly, but not usually as far from the pub as Morocco. I’ll just treat it like I do those other Andy Cap type guys who chest beat like that in Morocco…….ignore them and leave them to it.
Sep 3, 2012 3:30 AM
Sep 3, 2012 4:53 AM
10Thank you Kate and others. I am suitably chastised and please forgive me if I sounded indifferent to the lady's suffering. I just thought the reaction to the OP by so many people on that beach was extraordinary.
I kind of pictured a tall transexual with extra large breasts stuffed into a tight t-shirt, big nose, and a couple days growth of beard, smoking a cigarette. But that's just my overactive imagination for you.
Sep 3, 2012 5:49 AM
Sep 3, 2012 7:31 AM
12Maybe it s the combination of lone female + beach walking, that has given these men to behave like animals. I wouldn't doubt the OPs story for a moment either. Perhaps if she had been walking around the shops buying things, as women are 'supposed' to so, she wouldn't have had a problem. But to be out alone, wandering along aimlessly on a beach have may been suggestive in the wrong way to them. Perhaps that's why they all got so upset, they misunderstood why she was there and what her purpose was. Doesn't excuse it though. Very disgusting behavior to a guest in their country.
Sep 3, 2012 8:58 AM
13You’ve hit the nail on the head Jennifer.
How ever “westernised” or modern Morocco may feel, and how ever worldly wise these Moroccan men may seem, it still remains an extremely conservative country where grown men remain cripplingly misinformed about women, and especially misguided about western/foreign women.
In Moroccan culture it would be frowned upon for a woman to walk alone in such circumstances, and the general attitude of many men in Morocco would be to chastise or berate the woman for such behaviour or assume they are a prostitute and then treat them as such
Making sure that other women are aware of this when travelling in Morocco is important, so post such as this one are essential in preparing women for some unwanted attention from these guys (…..and reminding us that these typse of men don’t just come from Morocco, but from the UK too from the looks of some of the responses!).
Sep 3, 2012 9:46 AM
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