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fairweather

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Jul 19, 2012 2:25 PM
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Sleeping outdoors

Hello

I'm planning to leave for my first trip to nepal/ northern india in mid-september. To maximize my budget, i was thinking about bringing a lightweight sleeping bag and tent to stay in most nights. Is this at all safe to do?

Thanks

scoodly

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Jul 19, 2012 2:54 PM
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Hi

Where in Nepal are you going?

In KTM there are no camping grounds. all land is owned, controlled or used by somebody. If a pitch was found, you would be an object of curiosity and would not be able to leave your belongings unattended.

while trekking it is unlikely to save you money because lodge owners charge for the same amount to camp as for a bed. Possible to save the 100 - 200 rupees a night by camping away from villages/lodge clusters but then you have the problem of security.

scoodly

roger_ray

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Jul 19, 2012 4:55 PM
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Agree with scoodly...virtually impossible in KTM....in the hills hardly worth the effort due food costs going up for you if you do not sleep where your food is....if you want to go super cheap just cut back on the fancy food in KTM and on the trail....tenting is just not that practical or productive in Nepal.

Check small side streets out of center of Thamel for cheaper places to stay...also if go a block or two outside of Thamel you can find local dal bhaat eateries where students, laborers, small business eat....basic food but WAY cheaper than in Thamel.

Good luck.

Pirate_at_50

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Jul 19, 2012 6:55 PM
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And I'd probably say, while agreeing with the others, that if you require that to "maximize your budget" sufficiently to stay there, maybe you maximize it while you're still at home and come have a proper holiday later.

johnney

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Jul 19, 2012 8:47 PM
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Safe enough but no saving. The very expensive cost of lodges these days is food and in theory then a bed is free. Further those who camp next to lodges(most groups) are foolish for making their life unnecessarily uncomfortable and for paying even more.

rdccomments

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Jul 19, 2012 10:48 PM
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Re Nepal: I agree with the replies above - I can see no benefits in using tents for a trek, unless people are planning to stop in areas where there are no lodges, and then you have to consider the extra weight, hassle, security and much reduced comfort. Ktm would be a "challenge" to say the least (ie almost impossible) for a foreigner trying to use a tent.

Main cost is food and drinks (including soft drinks) - most lodge rooms are very cheap, based on guests eating in the lodges.

guideupendra

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Jul 19, 2012 11:30 PM
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Last year March I did some sort of small camping trip in Langtang Valley Trek and was amazing. It wasn't a fully organized camping trip, I had 3 French people and I was guiding them. Obviously, you will be thinking that Langtang Valley Trek and camping! But it was a lot better than expected. We never slept in the guest houses but ate there and made our way to somewhere a little far from villages. We had 2 tents, sometimes slept on the river of the bank, sometimes in the forest, sometimes in a open ground etc. There were no people to disturb us and it was amazing when it rained in the middle of the night! So, if you are 3/4 people at least, you can try taking your tent and sleep inside that. I mean you can eat inside the guest houses like early dinner and move a little for camping. If you stay near the guesthouses then there won't be meaning of carrying your heavy tent. We cooked our foods (mostly noodles and macroni) sometimes when we were not hungry and when we didn't want to eat in the guesthouses. We had 3 nights about full camping; 1st night on the top of Tserkori, 2nd night in Langsisa Kharka and 3rd night about 3/4 hours further from Langsisa Kharka. It was amazing trip! If you are alone then I think it won't be so enjoyable!

Petrus

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Jul 20, 2012 12:01 AM
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In the eighties-nineties I used to have a tent with me, but at that time many lodges were dormitory only, or we slept on the roofs of the private houses (even AC did not have proper lodges everywhere). A tent offered some privacy at least for a couple, and as I am used to camping and like it, I liked it, even if on the lodge back/front yard. Since 2000 I have not bothered with a tent on the normal routes anymore. Like said above several times, not practical, really no savings, unless you go totally native and cook you thrice a day rice on an open fire in the bushes also.

Petrus

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Jul 20, 2012 12:38 AM
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Re Langtang: now it is compulsory to have a guide or porter, no more solo trekking there for safety reasons. Government order. It is not clear to me if this rule applies only to real lone solo trekkers, or also groups of two or bigger. Any info on that?

nijkerk

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Jul 20, 2012 1:18 AM
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Safe to do it where in Northern India?? If you are talking about trekking in the Indian Himalays then a tent and bag is a must imo. There are no real tea house trails a la Nepal. There are some basic resthouses but they are often so grotty, I used the room as a lock up and pitched my tent outside...

into-thin-air

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Jul 20, 2012 1:21 AM
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Interesting new info petrus – could you please pop up a link to where you read about the new compulsory guide rule for Langtang
Thanks
Rob

rdccomments

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Jul 20, 2012 2:17 AM
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It will be interesting to get more info on the reported changes on trekking in Langtang.

into-thin-air

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Jul 20, 2012 7:30 AM
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Thanks petrus – First I have heard about this one
I am assuming that Helambu will also be included in this ban as Langtang National Park stretches as far as Kutumsang and the TAAN site does stipulate “The Langtang National Park !!??

Although I don’t advocate solo trekking myself and can see where the government is coming from banning solo trekkersin Langtang, I Do wonder if this new rule will be rolled out to other trekking areas.
If this was the case then the only way for solo trekkers wishing to trek without any trekking staff will be to find trek-mates which probably isn’t a bad idea and as long as the government doesn’t try to reintroduce the short lived rule of banning independent trekking altogether, then IMHO that is the main thing
Best Regards
Rob

roger_ray

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Jul 20, 2012 8:42 AM
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I wouldn't be so sanguine about this new 'rule'...it is not inconceivable that it will be extended to other areas for 'our safety'. I know a trek guide or two who have mentioned this possibility even last yr. That would be a disaster for independent trekkers. Going alone/solo is one thing but I certainly don't need a guide or porter when there are 2, 3, or more trekkers, especially when the porter in particular could be way ahead or behind....so lets keep in mind the diff btwn solo and independent.

I see the possibility of this whole thing morhping into a money grabbing deal, like TIMS, or the Gorishankar conservation area extended just to touch the Shiva Laya area to force independent trekkers to be accompanied. Maybe I am geting ahead of myself on this. But I wouldn't be surprised and hope I am wrong.

Perhaps more emphasis by the Rasuwa authoriities should be placed on actually catching this guy(s).
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