Replies: 28 - Last Post: Jun 22, 2012 8:28 AM Last Post By: Standanista
Jun 15, 2012 5:30 AM
KirchnerNot travel related, but I was wondering what normal Argentinians think of your president. Do you like her continual and increasingly bizarre rants about the UK, or do you think she is deranged and making your country look stupid, and would be better off spending time getting her own house in order?
Jun 15, 2012 6:57 AM
Jun 15, 2012 8:31 AM
Jun 15, 2012 8:40 AM
Jun 15, 2012 9:15 AM
4I'm not Argentine but live here and my take is basically that the middle class and wealthy (an increasingly smaller perecentage) are generally either unhappy with her and her policies and the lower classes generally are happy with her subsidies and the job she's doing. Also, yes, most people believe, I think, that the Falklands issue, while certaily a minor nationalistic issue here, shouldn't be bantered about when the economy is showing weakness and there's real danger of another cyclical economic collapse.
Also, I think beefree has a point. You're not just "asking a question". Your question was loaded and clearly implied that you think she's crazy, don't like her "anti-UK" rants and think it's all a smokescreen. To just "ask a question", you need to ask simply, "What do Argentines think about President Kirchner regarding the economy and in light of her statements regarding the UK/Falklands issue?", or something of that ilk. Hopefully you are wise enough to understand the difference between these very different questions.
Jun 15, 2012 9:19 AM
Jun 15, 2012 9:57 AM
Jun 15, 2012 10:25 AM
Jun 15, 2012 12:17 PM
8Of course you can ask a question any way you want. I'm just saying that you said you weren't bashing Kirchner and it's clear that you WERE bashing her by how you framed your question. That's all. You can ask any way you want, of course, but the words you use in asking the question are very meaningful and, in your case, clearly not objectively "asking a question". Hopefully you can acknowledge this. Anyway, I agree with you, by the way, in what Kirchner is doing to the country though not that she's an imbecile. "Giveaways" are heavy governmental subsidies to the masses to " buy her support" on many levels. She's doing a lot of this.
Jun 15, 2012 12:29 PM
9Ok cheers, sounds like the tried and tested way of getting the popular vote used my nationalist politicians, much like how she's diverting attention by banging on about the Falklands. From my point of view she seems like an absolute basket case, I'd emmigrate if we ever got a Prime Minister like that.
Jun 15, 2012 1:25 PM
10You should have already emmigrated a lot of times. First with Thatcher. She was definetely much worse than any Kirchner from any point of view. Second with Tony (Blair) who allied incondinionally with George Bush to free the world from the axe of evil being much more evil than anybody else and finally with Cameron who is the worst english leader over the past 100 years. He bashes on the Euro while his UK is doing worse and he has no clue at all how to build up a future.
Now Cristina recently won an re election in the first round with around 55% of the votes. Together with her husband, the Kirchners are ruling for around 10 years. It certainly depends on the point of view but most argies view the government as very positive and most certainly agree on claiming for the Malvinas which is by the way one of the 9 colonies which England still mainatinas around the world according to the United Nations. There are only 10 colonies with that status in the UN, 9 from England.
But this is certainly not an important issue for most argies nor for the government. There are simple other facts which make the Kirchners pretty popular. After the crash of the economy in 2001 with the policies backed by the IMF and all these guys Argentina had an unemployment of 40%. Now we have quite less than 10% and much better salaries. Even a part of the middle class is with the Kirchners.
Jun 15, 2012 1:34 PM
Jun 15, 2012 1:39 PM
12you look rather depressive here too. Will England qualify for the next round?
Jun 15, 2012 1:56 PM
Jun 15, 2012 4:12 PM
14Bit of a mad question. As someone from Britain I'm more worried about what a belter our own leader appears to be. Bloody useless and not arsed about the people of his own country. I feel if the people who live in the Falklands want to remain British then maybe we ought to do our bit to make sure that remains the case. It is a bit annoying that in thiese tight times money wise it is so expensive to do so.
Regarding Argentinas claims of sovereignty I'm not sure Argentina is a native American name, nor the name Kirchner. In fact I'm sure the native Americans may have something to say about who Argentina belongs to if they weren't mostly extinct due to one reason or another.
Argentina is a funny old place to be arguing with about sovereignty over some rocks no one lived on at the time they were colonised by the British. It is also odd to be accused of colonialism by a nation that speaks Spanish (Almost) when it is no where near Spain. What happened when the conquistadors landed there? Were they shocked that the locals also spoke Spanish and were Catholic? I would have been! Or is the very existence of Argentina colonialism at its finest? Perhaps Ridley Scott shouldn't have tried to ask where the human race came from but where the Argentines came from, it may have answered a far more pertinent question.
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