Registration's rules of Russia
Replies: 15 - Last Post: Aug 19, 2011 5:10 AM Last Post By: achp
Aug 11, 2011 8:42 AM
Registration's rules of RussiaRuth,
Many thanks for reply. But l confused a little bit about registration. l will travel a mont in Russia and l am planing to stay in every city three days. For excample if I stay in saratov, samara and other cities just for three or four ( not more seven days) can l stay without registration the whole travel in a month. And when l go out from Russia it can be not problem at the border.?
But if l stay any plays more than 7 days l should make registration in every cities is that correct?. İt means it is possible to stay some cities without registration and complete my travel which takes a month. Do l understand correct Whould you answer me please l want to be sure about regesration for not facing any problem at the border.
Aug 11, 2011 10:28 AM
1Registration is the responsibility of the place where you stay. It is NOT your responsibility.
There are no longer stamps on your migration card to show that you registered.
Save your train/bus tickets to show that you were traveling.
If you aren't staying anyplace for more than 7 business days then you don't need to arrange for registration.
Aug 11, 2011 10:32 AM
2According to Russian laws, you must surely register yourself during 3 days of your arrival to Russia. It goes without saying.
Aug 11, 2011 11:09 AM
Aug 11, 2011 12:18 PM
4Storka - I strongly encourage you to the read following which clearly states it is now 7 business days. Federal law from 20 March 2011 (article 2a specifically states 7 business days)
Your posting misinformation is NOT helpful. As a local you probably have no personal experience with this process.
Aug 12, 2011 3:59 AM
5Keep in mind that there is a little bit more to the story though
-On your way through Russia it is not unlikely that you once or twice will bump into a receipsionist that will not accept you as guest because you are 'not registered'. If you was registered you will not have been rejected as guest. My last incidence like this was in Nizhny Novgord (not excactly far out in the provinces). During a month a bumped into this problem once (there was no problem with other accomondation possibilities, but I had to bring my 15 kilos back-pack on a day trip to a monastery).
-It lookes like more people in travel agencies and hotes does not know abaout the 7 days rule, that those who actually do as it took effect from March. Bring a copy of it with you just in case. Needless to say, don't waive around with it unless it is relevant for the specific situation in a hotel or the like.
-It is hardly imaginable that you would bump into any troubles because you have registered.
-Regardless if you register or not there are regions where it is reported as more complicated to travel for foreigners.
Aug 14, 2011 9:28 AM
Thanks a lot for your encouragement) We are all here to learn the latest news from all over the world and to share it)
And as a local I do still recommend to make a registration as soon as a foreigner arrives to Russia, because the Russian police is quite strict to the residents from other countries) The vivid example is the process of receiving a Russian visa.
Aug 14, 2011 2:31 PM
7storyka - It doesn't matter how strict the Russian police are, the law says that hosts are responsible for registration and it is not necessary until you have stayed someplace more than 7 business days. It doesn't matter what you recommend. It matters what the law states. Please read the law and stop taking matters into your own hands.
The process of applying for and receiving a Russian visa has NOTHING to do with the process of registration.
Aug 14, 2011 11:51 PM
Aug 15, 2011 4:07 AM
Your story is very relevant. It is possible to bump into such a proactive idiot at any place, but Russia is indeed full of them. We call it "porter syndrome" or "barrier director" - a person who, having been given a tiny function, turns it into power he has on people and exercises that power to the maximum.
What can be done in such case? I don't know. In theory you should immediately call the police and FMS in order to fix the fact of illegal denial of service and usurpation of power and prosecute that receptionist. But of course, that's too much of hassle and hindrance for a tourist, especially if one is not in command of Russian language.
By the way, it would be nice if you unrevealed the name of the hotel.
Edited by: achp
Aug 15, 2011 4:40 AM
10achp - My advice on encountering persons such as those described above is to call the citizen services of your country's embassy in Russia. There will be someone who can speak English and who can negotiate with the individual. Often just the threat that you will call your embassy is enough for such people to back down.
OTOH on many occasions in the past I have encountered hotels which will not permit foreigners to stay because they do not have the ability to register foreigners. And there were many reports in the past that hotels in Novosibirsk would not permit foreigners to stay there unless they have been previously registered as they were following the letter of the law in a peculiar manner - in particular the part which said that one must be registered within three business days of arrival and in their minds one could not arrive in Novosibirsk and not have already been in Russia for three days.
Aug 16, 2011 5:49 AM
the point of the story was really simply to illustrate that it is more to take into account than what is strictly speaking legal. A hotel reception is more or less like a night club with face control. You can kick and scream as much as you like, in the end of the day it is 100% up to the place to decide what guests that they want. Nobody has a right to a hotel room.
The only things you can do is to increase the probability of getting into such situations by getting a registration stamp in your migration card, or simply find another place to stay if you come somewhere you are not wanted (sometimes it can be a bit unconvenient). Keeping this story in mind I once let a hotel look after my backback as I was away for the day, then I tried to check in with a migration card without the magic registration stamp, they turned me down, but it really did not matter that much as what I really needed was a place to keep my back pack as I was away for the day...
Aug 16, 2011 7:11 AM
According to Russian legislation, if an enterprise works on a public offer of service, it is obliged to accept anyone who is compliant with the conditions of the offer and whom it is capable to serve. Thus, a refusal "because the hotel is full" is lawful, and refusal "because you don't have the stamp which you are not supposed to have" is not.
Moreover, there are hotel reservations the entire purpose of which is to guarantee you the right to a hotel room. And yet again moreover, some reservations are prepaid.
I think things like this must be punished.
Edited by: achp
Aug 16, 2011 8:58 AM
13Almost 20 years I travel to Russia. Most of the time we stayed in hotels, but also with friends. Only two times they had to register us. We never had any problems with registering by the hotels.
I think, anyone who has not the money to stay in a proper hotel, should keep away from that country.
Aug 17, 2011 2:54 AM
14Spoerle: For all the time I have followed this forum, this is the posting with the 2nd lowest level of intelligence I have ever experienced. Thank you for brightening up my day.
Achp: If you read my posting again, the point in my posting is that there are situations where legislation is hardly relevant. That said, hotel management of course decides who they wants a guests.
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