Israel # West Bank "border" - 6 months passport validity ???
Replies: 14 - Last Post: Oct 13, 2010 5:48 AM Last Post By: mobileartur
Sep 11, 2010 2:17 PM
I'm going to visit Israel and the Palestinian Territories at the end of this month. My passport will be valid 6 months and 1 day when I land in Tel Aviv. I'm wondering about crossing Israel-West Bank "borders" later. I don't think that's a regular "country border" however the political situation is wired there so everything is possible. Do they check also the date of validity there? My passport will be valid less than 6 months then.
Sep 11, 2010 11:00 PM
1Well its usually 6 months for most countries - so I suppose you will be OK - it all depends how long you intend to stay - where are you coming from... Are you going there direct from your home country or as part of an extended trip etc. If travelling you can actually get your passport extended or even a new one at some embassies ( depends upon your nationality) along the route. If you are still at home, why not just go and renew it or else call the local israeli embassy and ask them.
THERE AREN"T ACTUALLY BORDERS BETWEEN Israel and the Occupied Territories but you will encounter security check points who are checking your identity and visa and not necessarily the date your passport expires. Once you have the entry visa you will technically be permitted to stay the period of validity which is usually 3 months for many nationalities.
Sep 12, 2010 5:39 AM
2Thanks a lot!
I will be going directly from my home country (EU). We will stay there for about 2.5 weeks including the Palestine. I was trying to contact the embassy of Israel concerning this matter but they didn't answer. We can only contact them via phone or email. Personal visits on special occasions only. :)). I can't renew my passport now - the waiting time is about 4 weeks. So it's too late. However it's better to use the old one for Israeli stamps.
So from a political point of view the West Bank is a part of the state of Israel. The same "country", isn't it?
Sep 12, 2010 6:02 AM
3You are asking a 'political' question. Let me answer it 'apolitically':
For practical purposes, as far as the foreign traveler is concerned, it is the same entity, due to the fact that one must go through Israel immigration to get to Israel and/or the WB, and there is no further immigration procedure necessary for the WB. At most, you'll have to just show your passport at a checkpoint for identification purposes only.
Sep 12, 2010 6:19 AM
Sep 13, 2010 1:30 AM
5All of the occupied Palestinian territory (West bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza) is currently occupied by the Israeli army. As a result, the Israeli authorities do not consider that you cross a border when you go from Israel to East Jerusalem or the West Bank. You'll be asked to show your passport so that soldiers can check that you have not overstayed your visa, but that's a formality and they will not raise the question of your passport's validity as long as your visa remains valid.
Sep 13, 2010 4:16 AM
I tried to keep politics out of this, but you just had to drag in your political opinions.
Depending on one's definition of "occupied territory",one may call the above such. According to my definition of the term, it isn't "occupied territory" - it is "disputed territory".
However, there is no way you can call East Jerusalem "occupied Palestinian territory" for the reasons I have stated on another thread and reproduce below:
"The UN (and most countries) regard the entire Jerusalem area (East and West) as a corpus separatum, that is a "separate entity" which belongs to no one - not to the Palestinians or Israelis. This is borne out by the fact that almost all countries have refused to locate their embassies in (West) Jerusalem since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Therefore, if the "international community" regards East Jerusalem as "occupied Palestinian territory", they would be a bunch of hypocrites, applying a double-standard against Israel, namely, that East Jerusalem is Palestinian whereas West Jerusalem is not Israeli."
Also, not all of the WB is "occupied" by the Israel army. The PA areas are not.
Sep 13, 2010 4:59 AM
7If its disputed and not occupied - then why are they occupying it and building settlements like there is no tomorrow ? I could accept disputed if there wasn't such a high profile military presence and continued expansion of illegal israeli settlemnts.
Yes, not all the WB has an overt military presence but since they have road bloks leading to these areas and checkpoints they effectively cut them off and hence control them without being inside them.
Double standards, hypocrisy and injustice are all words regularly used to describe the area.
Sep 13, 2010 6:29 AM
Sep 13, 2010 11:43 PM
9Lol! of course there would have to be a play on words .... You always make me smile truly! occupied doesn't mean occupied it means occupied. You must agree though that with that huge wall, barbed wire, road bloks and overt military checkpoints, armed settlers and threats of what happened to Gaza could happen to you - that the West Bank you are herewith referring to (and thats West Bank with a capital W & B) is cut off and controlled by the israeli forces (that's a small i and a small f) and that Jerusalem is effectively a garrison with its huge numbers of uniformed and non-uniformed militias which most people don't notice - especially around the city of David (thats a capital D) a kind of settler youth army dominates the place.
Apart from that everything is honky dory.
Sep 14, 2010 5:14 AM
10Guys, I've just got the answer from my local Israeli embassy. They say that entering Israel from the Territories is in fact a regular country border crossing and I need a passport which is 6 months valid.
So I'm confused. However I think that the girl who was writing the email is not so reliable - I had to ask her twice.I hope so...
a1, & catw are you sure about that?
Sep 14, 2010 5:51 AM
11Like I said, you need a passport for identification purposes only.
It is not a "regular country border crossing".
The "6-month validity" thing is only for your initial entry via Israel immigration. It is irrelevant for travel between Israel and the WB.
A general comment:
This forum regularly supplies much more accurate information about border crossings than any embassy/consular staff - no matter which country. That's because the information here is based on first-hand experience, whereas the staff are basing their opinions on regulations and their personal interpretations thereof only.
Sep 14, 2010 10:45 AM
12As a1 said above - you don't need a passport between Palestinian areas and Israeli areas (its just to identify yourself) You only need be worried when entering Israel regarding the validity.
However, if you have 6 months and 1 day, technically you are OK.... I would worry more about
whether they would let you in at all, especially if you start asking about going to Palestinian areas, that has caused a problem for many people and some people have actually been turned back. You really should read this forum thoroughly regarding this issue.
Sep 14, 2010 11:10 AM
Oct 13, 2010 5:48 AM
14So we r back!
Going in, out and traveling between Israel and Palestine was extremely smooth for us. After landing at Ben Gurion we had a short talk during a passport control - they didn't know if our stamps from Brunei are allowed or not. Then a short talk how long do we know each other and that's it.
We rented a car in Jerusalem and explored Palestine - all major places and some wicked country side locations. Then we changed a car for a cheaper option and explored Israel. We were greeting Israelis in Hebrew and Palestinians in Arabic showing our sympathy to the both sides ;)) Soldiers, settlers, Palestinians were so happy to hear their language thus we have never had to show our passports or even open our trunk. That was funny!
Before flying back we had a short talk at Ben Gurion - why do we travel so much, what was our purpose of visiting Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia and do we have any friends in these countries. We told that we have no friends - only in Poland and Israel ;)) Then we got some stickers and were allowed to step out from a security queue and move directly to our check in stand - no main luggage x-ray and screening, no more questions even at the next passport check.
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