OVERSTAYING VISA IN THAILAND
Replies: 68 - Last Post: Dec 16, 2009 7:34 PM Last Post By: davelliot
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Thats right , but if there are cases of them doing it to people in the case of short overstay , wouldn't that create waves , and Thaivisa.com be reporting actual accounts of these.The police couldn't care less, certainly not at all about anything posted on an expat forum. Heck, they don't even care that the United Nations published a report that the Thai police are the biggest organized crime faction in the Kingdom.
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Can you give details of cases you have direct knowledge of ?That's a pretty tall order for just about every data point. A news story is not direct knowledge. In fact news stories are almost always inaccurate (my opinion based on my small personal sampling of a dozen or so stories over the years of which I DID have direct knowledge and 100% of the stories were inaccurate, sometimes completely wrong).
But what can you do? For most data points you must rely on second hand or worse accounts and then try to corroborate them with independent accounts.
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" For most data points you must rely on second hand or worse accounts and then try to corroborate them with independent accounts"But thats the problem , in all these debates about overstaying over the years , hardly one seems even able to give second hand accounts , not even Thaivisa.com. Just vague stetements about the people in jail without giving details.
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Actually, if you look at Thaivisa, there is a thread of someone who has ACTUAL experience of the IDC.http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Overstaying-Visa-Fun-t138238.html
But again, if you fly into thailand, you get a certain number of days, depending on your nationality and visa you happen to have stamped into your passport. If you stay in Thailand beyond your leave to remain stamp, you are illegally in the country, no grey area whatsoever.
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Dave... I’ve finally worked out what you mean by “grey area”... silly me... that it took me this long.... what you refer to, I’m sure... is the difference between “illegal” and “criminal”... It does indeed seem that there’s a grey area here...A day or two.. even a week or two can be describes as “illegal” ... however.. as you start moving towards the maximum fine of 20,000 Baht ... you move into the area of “criminal”...
I got it.. thanks Dave... we do agree.. and after all this time... "Illegal" ... but not (yet) criminal... to “illegal and criminal” ... a totally grey area ... I totally agree...
DON’T OVERSTAY YOUR VISAS.
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RE#49 .When I clicked on the link , it was just someone make sweeping statemants without supporting evidence , furhermore he referred to lengthy overstays in relation to being arrested and jailed .
"you are illegally in the country, no grey area whatsoever. "
Tell that to Pattaya immigration , its true they don't make the laws , but they are agent of the govt , can you dismiss it out of hand ?
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"is the difference between “illegal” and “criminal”... It does indeed seem that there’s a grey area here"If its illegal it not tolerated period , if they don't tolerate it , why are they not rying to deter it , if they don't want you to overstay 3 days , why would they make it cheaper than the extension./
Another thing that doesn't add up , Thai authorities tend to put up warning notices about things they don't want foreignersto do . In consulates and immigration offices there are various signs in English saying don't do this , don't do that . Why don't they have signs warning that short overstays are not tolerated ? . You can say they don't have to , its responsibility of visitor to know rules . But its the normal trend for them to put up notices . Doesn't prove anything , but its another thing thats strange.
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Re: link in post 49It's to a thread, on the Thaivisa forum, that has been going for more than 2 years... 75 posts till today... about the consequences of overstaying your visa in Thailand...
It should be made compulsorily reading for anyone who hands out advice about how much you can save by overstaying.. rather than doing it legally!
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It lacked credibility and was not backed up by evidence , it also contradicts whats on the sites home page -"Warning - Note that overstaying is technically breaking the law and while there is little problem if you 'surrender' yourself to Immigration at the airport, it can be a "
Again , that word technically. Hedging their bets.
Thaivisa.com is not compulsory reading , its been wrong in the past and its advice should be taken with care.
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"especially if anyone tells you that overstaying your visa isn't breaking the law:-)plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose "
Again , you can tell that to Pattaya immigration.
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As far as being backed by evidence... what do you expect... to see photos of people spending time in a Thai detention centre.. or pics of people handing over fines for overstay?Or written statements from the relatives of people being deported from Thailand due to overstay?
Come on.. the people who overstay are embarrassed about being fools...
they are generally not going to come forward and tell how silly it is to overstay when you can get legal visas and visa extensions for so little money and effort.
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"how much you can save by overstaying.. rather than doing it legally! 'Wait a minute if its not tolerated to any degree , why do they have a 2 tier system of the "cheap way ' and the "legal way' , are they that stupid ?.
"Come on.. the people who overstay are embarrassed about being fools...
they are generally not going to come forward and tell how silly it is t"
People admit to all sorts of things here , also when a pattern is established you tend to hear about it on the travellers grapevine.
Sorry Sjaak that thaivisa link was useless.
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